Post by formersamhmd on Apr 9, 2018 20:38:11 GMT
Luke Skywalker's criteria that doesn't make him a wish fulfillment character:
* amateur pilot who has had combat training; he was already qualified to move on to advanced training at the academy
There's nothing that suggests he knew how to perfectly fly an X-Wing in ANH aside from flying speeders.
* Luke is not liked the patrons of the Mos Eisley cantina; more importantly they are not impressed by them nor respect him
Duh, he's never been there and no one knows him. And he was with Obi-Wan and Han at the time.
* Han Solo doesn't like Luke when first meeting him. It takes time before Han accepts him as a friend.
And Han is portrayed as being in the wrong for this.
* Han saved Luke's life numerous times. Only in the last movie of the trilogy does Luke become Han's savior. And even in ROTJ Han still has success apart from Luke i.e. shutting down the shields around the Death Star.
So Rey has to be a damsel.
* although Luke had a few shining moments against Vader in TESB, Vader kicked his butt
Like Rey was powerless against Snoke.
* Vader never considered Luke a threat, didn't respect him, and was rarely impressed by him;
Same with Rey and Snoke.
* Luke needed saving many times from a multitude of people: Han, Leia, ObiWan, other Rebel pilots, and finally Vader
So Rey has to be a damsel.
* Luke failed but always seemed to learn something from it
So Rey has to copy Luke's arc exactly?
I'm not going into the stuff with Rey, because it's just the usual "She's not pathetic enough!" stuff.
* Rey, who went to Luke for apprenticeship, has to save Luke from his own self pity (despite the fact that such a portrayal of Luke totally strips away all of his character development in the OT). Rey saves everybody, even her master.
If Luke was exactly the way he was in the OT, the ST never would've happened and there'd be no need for new characters. For there to BE a new conflict and new characters, something must be done to sideline the OT characters.
Kylo is thoroughly overwhelmed by Rey the first time she used the Force against him. He is impressed to the point of being frightened by her.
After he'd been shot and was emotionally shook up from killing his dad?
At least my version gave plausible reasons for why Rey does what she does in the movies... instead of hating it/not wanting to do it. But doing it because of some pure sense of it's the right thing to do despite never having a life example. By the way that's another Disney warrior princess trait.
You must really hate superhero movies, they do stuff mostly out of nobility as well. Anyways, your version still makes Rey need Han to take her hand and walk her through everything.