The portrayal of an ex-Stormtrooper: The Finn poll

The portrayal of an ex-Stormtrooper: The Finn poll Apr 9, 2018 21:25:13 GMT via mobile ryboto likes this

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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 9, 2018 21:25:13 GMT

Apr 9, 2018 20:38:11 GMT formersamhmd said:

Apr 9, 2018 19:48:20 GMT Waxer-n-boil said:

Luke Skywalker's criteria that doesn't make him a wish fulfillment character:

* amateur pilot who has had combat training; he was already qualified to move on to advanced training at the academy

There's nothing that suggests he knew how to perfectly fly an X-Wing in ANH aside from flying speeders.

There is. It's just that you pretend to know SW but you don't know jack about it. Stop talking and educate yourself. Research T-14 Skyhopper. It was Luke's training ship on Tattooine. And the controls are the same as an X-wing's. You don't know crap about SW. You're just a Disney loving clown who thinks you know what you're talking about because the franchise has been hijacked by Disney.

* Luke is not liked the patrons of the Mos Eisley cantina; more importantly they are not impressed by them nor respect him

Duh, he's never been there and no one knows him. And he was with Obi-Wan and Han at the time.

So then why is Rey instantly liked when she's a stranger to people?

* Han Solo doesn't like Luke when first meeting him. It takes time before Han accepts him as a friend.

And Han is portrayed as being in the wrong for this.

No he isn't. That's a total lie. I don't even have to comment on it further.

* Han saved Luke's life numerous times. Only in the last movie of the trilogy does Luke become Han's savior. And even in ROTJ Han still has success apart from Luke i.e. shutting down the shields around the Death Star.

So Rey has to be a damsel.[/quote]

Nobody was a damsel in the OT. That's the point. You keep trying to tie points like this back to some claim that it suggests Rey has to be a damsel. That's not a logical path or conclusion. You're pretending it is to support your argument.

* although Luke had a few shining moments against Vader in TESB, Vader kicked his butt

Like Rey was powerless against Snoke.

Snoke is not Rey's archenemy, Kylo is. Vader was Luke's archenemy. Needing spoon feeding much?

* Vader never considered Luke a threat, didn't respect him, and was rarely impressed by him;

Same with Rey and Snoke.[/quote]

See previous comment.

* Luke needed saving many times from a multitude of people: Han, Leia, ObiWan, other Rebel pilots, and finally Vader

So Rey has to be a damsel.

Wait! I thought you said Luke is a wish fulfillment character!?! So I guess you were lying.

I thought you said Rey isn't. I thought you said Rey isn't a MarySue? I guess you were lying!

* Luke failed but always seemed to learn something from it

So Rey has to copy Luke's arc exactly?

I'm not going into the stuff with Rey, because it's just the usual "She's not pathetic enough!" stuff.

I don't blame you for not, because your argument is already exposed. The thing about the OT characters that makes them better, they're neither MarySues/wish fulfillment characters... nor are they damsels... nor are cartoonish inept clowns. But most of the ST characters are exactly that. That's why you create this false narrative of a no-win situation! Because you can't disprove that the ST characters are just MarySues and damsels and Disney stooges. And the OT proves that characters are perfectly capable of being good (actually better) characters without being any of those things.

So whenever someone suggests that the ST characters should've been something that's not one of those Disney archetypes... then you say "Oh, so they should be a 1 note, cliche archetype. OT characters were." Which is completely the opposite of what people are saying and what the evidence shows.

* Rey, who went to Luke for apprenticeship, has to save Luke from his own self pity (despite the fact that such a portrayal of Luke totally strips away all of his character development in the OT). Rey saves everybody, even her master.

If Luke was exactly the way he was in the OT, the ST never would've happened and there'd be no need for new characters. For there to BE a new conflict and new characters, something must be done to sideline the OT characters.

Kylo is thoroughly overwhelmed by Rey the first time she used the Force against him. He is impressed to the point of being frightened by her.

After he'd been shot and was emotionally shook up from killing his dad?

At least my version gave plausible reasons for why Rey does what she does in the movies... instead of hating it/not wanting to do it. But doing it because of some pure sense of it's the right thing to do despite never having a life example. By the way that's another Disney warrior princess trait.

You must really hate superhero movies, they do stuff mostly out of nobility as well. Anyways, your version still makes Rey need Han to take her hand and walk her through everything.

Stop circle jerk trolling for this Disney crap! It's been exposed. And so have you.

LULZ