Post by PreachCaleb on Apr 10, 2018 20:46:10 GMT
Considering both Mad Love and Girls Night Out fleshed out the characters, that's not meatless at all. That's the exact opposite. Mad Love dove into Harley's backstory to answer all the questions fans had about her.
I'll admit, I never cared for the comic version of Mad Love. I find the streamlined version in the TNBA to be a much better telling. Maybe I'd feel it was awful writing if real women didn't fall in love with death row inmates all the time, but I have no problem accepting in fiction what happens in reality.
But I have no issue with Joker manipulating her. After all, escape is always his objective in Arkham. So he's really not that unpredictable. I have no issue with the Joker being a rapist either. He's a thieving, abusive, mass murderer. He's a monster. Rape is not beneath him. Not to mention, Alan Moore touched on that in The Killing Joke years earlier. Being asexual would just make him even more predictable.
Ahh, but see then you're not the target audience. It'd be like me asking why I should like West World when I hate stories set in the old west and then wondering why it has fans.
Besides, while it did exist purely for a teenage Batman, it didn't just go with a teenage Bruce. Instead, it followed a different Batman with his own personality and motives and even paid off some stories from BTAS through both Bruce and Terry. Much like Buffy the Vampire Slayer (which the writers have pointed out as an influence), it used the "horrors" of high school to tell fantastic stories and help the characters grow.
Before or since? Bruce never talked about The Joker in Batman Beyond at all, so there'd be no reason for it to be mentioned before. And as for since, ROTJ was the final cap of the Batman Beyond series, so there'd be no way for the series to mention it again.
No more than any other PG-13 movie.
I'll admit, I never cared for the comic version of Mad Love. I find the streamlined version in the TNBA to be a much better telling. Maybe I'd feel it was awful writing if real women didn't fall in love with death row inmates all the time, but I have no problem accepting in fiction what happens in reality.
But I have no issue with Joker manipulating her. After all, escape is always his objective in Arkham. So he's really not that unpredictable. I have no issue with the Joker being a rapist either. He's a thieving, abusive, mass murderer. He's a monster. Rape is not beneath him. Not to mention, Alan Moore touched on that in The Killing Joke years earlier. Being asexual would just make him even more predictable.
I hate superhero stories that take place in high school in general, so why would BB appeal to me?
Ahh, but see then you're not the target audience. It'd be like me asking why I should like West World when I hate stories set in the old west and then wondering why it has fans.
Besides, while it did exist purely for a teenage Batman, it didn't just go with a teenage Bruce. Instead, it followed a different Batman with his own personality and motives and even paid off some stories from BTAS through both Bruce and Terry. Much like Buffy the Vampire Slayer (which the writers have pointed out as an influence), it used the "horrors" of high school to tell fantastic stories and help the characters grow.
Not to mention that the whole thing with the Joker torturing Tim Drake not only felt really forced on the count of the fact that it was never mentioned before or since,
Before or since? Bruce never talked about The Joker in Batman Beyond at all, so there'd be no reason for it to be mentioned before. And as for since, ROTJ was the final cap of the Batman Beyond series, so there'd be no way for the series to mention it again.
but it also comes across as a desperate attempt to show how cool and edgy they are.
No more than any other PG-13 movie.