Post by NishmatHaChalil on Mar 23, 2017 13:10:32 GMT
Mar 23, 2017 1:12:20 GMT @graham said:
Hear hear.What I find interesting is that it's the mainly religious right who have decided to hate on Transgender people. And yet their argument is entirely based on the idea that a person is defined wholly by their physical body. Quite an odd argument for that bunch to cling to, really.
Mar 23, 2017 8:12:20 GMT -3 falconia said;
And this thread is dumb as bricks. SRS is the final thing that happens. It's neccessary usually due to stress on the liver caused by the anti-androgen. Male and female parts are analogous so it's not a complicated procedure (ftm transition is much more difficult).
And this thread is dumb as bricks. SRS is the final thing that happens. It's neccessary usually due to stress on the liver caused by the anti-androgen. Male and female parts are analogous so it's not a complicated procedure (ftm transition is much more difficult).
Mar 23, 2017 1:46:57 GMT -3 ArArArchStanton said:
Treating people with respect includes keeping them from harming themselves.
You seem to think anything somebody wants to do to themselves is ok as long as they want to do it. So I guess we should stop fighting heroine addicts. I mean it makes them feel good right?
Treating people with respect includes keeping them from harming themselves.
You seem to think anything somebody wants to do to themselves is ok as long as they want to do it. So I guess we should stop fighting heroine addicts. I mean it makes them feel good right?
And no, we don’t think people should do whatever they want to as long as it makes them feel nice. That’s what you believe in. You believe you can and should fight TG people’s rights despite the harm your behavior brings towards society, only because it makes you feel nice to think people are “accepting themselves”. Yay, good for you! And worse, unlike being TG, your attitude is your choice. Granted, it is influenced by society and your upbringing, but it still is your choice. You are harming yourself by making that choice, yes, though the harm you do to yourself is insignificant enough for you to prioritize keeping your irrational beliefs intact. The harm you do to thousands of people all over the world, however, is both unimaginably damaging and, in thousands of cases, lethal. So do forgive us if we fight you and your attitudes and if we don’t treat you as nicely as you think we should. You are contributing to the death and despair of other people both by your choice of expression and by its consequences on law and societal pressure, and, while you are not ready to face it, we are.
TG people are TG whether or not we do anything to them. The reason we offer them the opportunity to transition and to relocate and, if they feel the need to, to undergo HRT and SRS is because we would be harming them otherwise. We would be causing them to feel unimaginable despair and we would be driving them to suicide. We do procedures with a far greater propensity to adverse effects on other people in order for them to have better chances at living the life they want to, but people do not argue against that because, even in the extremely problematic society we live in, that would right away be seen as absurd. You are not entitled to decide what counts as harm and what doesn’t, and the fact you don’t even have the courage to face the implications and consequences of your speech only makes all your views on the matter null by default. And, do recall, you are harming others! Not according to anyone's irrational opinion, mind you, but according to all the social, clinical and psychological data we have about TG and the negative consequences they face due to this kind of attitude, including suicide. People like me should speak against you. Casting all of the evidence at you at every opportunity is my social responsibility. After you ignore all of it and continue spouting your nonsensical, dangerous, repressive dogmas, treating you like the controlling and harmful bigot you act as is the least, really, that one can do. Which does not mean we should stalk you online and throw insults at you, but it does mean that, every time you make a statement like that, we are completely entitled to oppose you.
And do bear in mind that you are in no place to criticize religious people for believing in what they believe. Being religious, more often than not, is against a proper parsimonious/probabilistic/Bayesian interpretation of scientific data, but it isn’t, by itself, harmful. Your beliefs, for their part, since they throw all of the available data in the trash can, are even more irrational, and, by their implications and consequences, are unconceivably, really, unconceivably harmful. At least on this point, you are no better than any of the most destructive religious posters we have at IMDB, and you are not acting like you deserve a different treatment than the one they do.
And, finally, we don't even fight heroin addicts. We offer them medical and psychological support, and, during the rehab program, we even offer them other drugs in order to diminish their suffering. Not that you actually care one iota about addicts or TG people, either way. You only care about whether or not they are living according to your rules and whether or not they make you feel nice by conforming to your personal irrational beliefs about the need of “self-acceptance”.
