Post by Toasted Cheese on Mar 26, 2017 2:02:10 GMT
the key words here are 'accused', not proven.
plus, when it comes to general abuse i imagine some people are quick to claim abuse for next to nothing, especially on that 40% claim. my best guess is this on that 40% figure thing... they probably have more strict discipline and the like and people just don't like it and then claim they where abused. i am not saying all cases are like that as there probably are some legitimate cases and all though but you get the idea.
it's quite likely some of those claims are BS as people probably just want to get some free $$$ etc. i am confident of this. but with that said, i am not denying that abuse happens in the church as it obviously does but it's not a common thing.
Clearly not true given what you have shown me here as even if that 7% figure is legit that's no where near common as it's a tiny fraction of the church as a whole.
i am not saying it's next to non-existent, and it is a concern(since obviously it needs to be stopped), but to act like it's common is a stretch.
Going back to things you said in your previous reply to me, I can forgive and understand and feel compassion for a pedophile who has twisted, sick, shameful desires but never acts on them because he knows he will hurt and damage human beings if he does. But a pedophile who acts out their depraved desires and hurts an innocent child or a woman is a predator and a psychopath. There can be no forgiveness for a man who molests or rapes a child. Forget "repentence", if, as you said, your God can forgive them then I want no part of your God. There is no forgivenes for a pedophile who acts on his desires. Pedophile priests should be hunted down and terminated with extreme prejudice. Yet the Catholic Church - all the way to the top - covered up their heinous deeds for centuries. You do also know, I hope, that that the Vatican got in to bed with both Mussolini's fascists and the Nazi's. So you should be very, very careful of believing what these c.nts tell you is the truth.
m-slovak79 is a fool and constantly puts their hypocritical foot into their phony mouth. I know you are attempting to make a point here to that passive aggressive moronic twit, but I have to say your pov is also very extreme too. True forgiveness does not discriminate, compartmentalize, or has conditions placed on it. Like the word implies, it is about being "forever giving". While I understand that forgiveness is a difficult thing for many to buy into at times—myself included—what other people's experience are, is for them to deal with and up to them to find a way out of whatever pain and hurt they may be feeling. You can't tell, or project onto someone else how they should be feeling about their own experiences, just because it makes us uncomfortable. You can have compassion and care and concern and empathy, but we also have to learn to step back also if it is not part of our journey. Do what you can if you feel something can be fixed and to bring forth awareness, but also don't hit your head against a wall if something is out of your control and can't be changed. Those are just internal control issues.
If we condemn based on our own ignorance, anger, hurt and pain, how does that make us any better than those we are pointing fingers at for their questionable behavior? Perhaps we only condemn ourselves in this instance and where is the personal growth in this.