Kawhi Leonard may 'sit out' at Toronto? THIS IS WHY I HATE TODAY'S NBA...

Kawhi Leonard may 'sit out' at Toronto? THIS IS WHY I HATE TODAY'S NBA... Jul 20, 2018 18:28:48 GMT Rey Kahuka likes this

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Post by harpospoke on Jul 20, 2018 18:28:48 GMT

Jul 20, 2018 16:47:59 GMT Rey Kahuka said:

I realize the winning teams get all the fans in college. I brought that one up actually. That's what happens when smaller teams don't have an equal shot at winning.

Well let's use that logic on the players. It "isn't fair" to the players...and yet they line up to be drafted. The majority of them don't bother with a free education in order to try for a job in this alleged "unfair" system. Why would they do that?

Sure, but nobody is complaining. Duke fans in New Jersey don't care that Duke isn't in New Jersey, so it isn't regional, as you suggested. And again, division 1 is filled with teams that have no shot at winning a national title but the fans still go to the games. Your commentary on the draft is puzzling. Players 'line up' for the draft because there is no other option, this is the point I've been making. And please don't tell me they can go work at the convenience store if they don't like it, that logic has no place in this discussion.

I was talking about the smaller colleges who have no shot at winning. They only have fans for regional reasons. And of course any alumni will always root for their old team. As we see, the winning teams get most of the fans.

You left out the part where players have a ton of options. First of all, they start working toward being in the NBA and NFL years before. All this effort to join a league you claim isn't fair to them. They use phrases like, "It's my dream to play in the NBA".

That's the one and only reason "there is no other option"...because that's all they are working toward and they carefully develop those skills. Most ignore all the options they are presented with in college in favor of concentrating all their effort on the "dream" you claim is not fair to them.

There is only a need to work at a convenience store if you ignore all your options other than the NBA. That's true of anyone. If I spend years and years of my time developing the skills to be an astronaut and then decide I don't like it years later....my other option would be a convenience store. That's on me. It actually happens to people all the time. Ask all the people who worked in the photo processing industry a decade ago.

How about we pretend each team is a separate entity instead of a league? That would be necessary to make your claim work.

The draft is out obviously.

Each team sets their own schedule. I guess they would have to negotiate with other teams. The Lakers would just skip playing teams like the Cavs, Wizards, and Hawks....no one wants to see that. Do they play 82 games or 102? Who knows?

Do the Lakers hire their own refs and make their own rules? Maybe they don't think it should be against the rules to hand check. Goaltending wouldn't be called against the Lakers either in their gym. Perfectly legal.

The Dallas Mavs could change their uniforms as often as they like. Oh....and Mark Cuban can spend as money as he wants. I'll bet he would love to just hire half the Celtics roster.

No it wouldn't. Allowing players to play where they wanted to play would not require dissolving the league, tearing up the rule book or anything else you've presented in this bizarre scenario. All you'd really need to do is enforce a hard salary cap.

Well there is where it gets sticky because that's not fair to the players either. Now you are "forcing" them to play for a team they don't want to play for in order to get paid what they deserve. Same problem you are complaining about with the draft. And this would break up great teams which were built with the talent of the front office. They are actually punished for doing their jobs well. Why should the Warriors lose their players? They drafted brilliantly. It's unlikely they will ever pull that off again.

I'll repeat again that I never complain about what players make like some fans do. They deserve every penny. I wish them well...but not at my expense as a fan. So I get the flaws in not having free agency too. The players would have to hold out to get what they deserve. That's not fair to them either.

The Warriors core isn't going stay intact forever, free agency will make sure of that. The 1960s Celtics didn't have to worry about free agency and they were unbeatable, even more so than the Warriors of today. All the league could do was wait for Russell to retire. In the 90s, all the league could do was wait for Jordan to retire. Basketball is about talent, perhaps more than any other sport. How a team acquires that talent is what's being discussed here, and I think players should have more say.

It's a difficult question. I say the fans side should matter just as much. There is no easy way to make it work because some markets just aren't as attractive as other markets. Some teams will always have more money to spend. The whole thing is flawed at its core so there will be a never ending fight to make competition equal. I just don't see how giving the players the power to choose their team helps competitive balance. Might as well eliminate certain teams from small unappealing markets. A team in Utah would be pointless. At least with a draft places like Green Bay and Pittsburgh have a chance to be a dynasty.

You aren't making the case why fans should put the players desires ahead of their own. If you aren't trying to do that then we have no reason to quibble over it. Fans put themselves first just like the players do.

Once more, fans still go to games. There isn't an NBA team operating in the red. Toronto, Indiana, the Clippers; these teams have never won anything and people still go to the games, large or small market. Across all of sports, fans go to games whether their team is a contender or not. As a fan, you can't expect anything other than a solid effort from your club. Forcing players to waste their entire careers in poorly run organizations doesn't help the players, the game itself, or the fans.

Of course every team will have SOME fans. Even the Clippers got a small fan base. Just like WNBA...."fans go to the games". That's hardly comparable to the fan bases for the big teams. We see how it works....the winning teams get the bulk of the fans. The smaller teams get far less fans and rarely get on TV.

Plus you left out that the only reason Toronto and Indiana have fans is because they were able to draft players. You think the Raptors would have the fans they do if they never had Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Chris Bosh?

All those guys left of course. They never would have gone there if they had a choice out of college. How is that fair to Raptors fans?

We're talking in circles here and I don't understand where you're coming from with a lot of this stuff. I don't mean to condescend; I've had great basketball conversations with you in the past. I just don't think we're ever going to see eye to eye so we'll have to agree to disagree. It's ultimately a non-issue as I don't expect the draft or free agency to go anywhere anytime soon.

Agreed. Luv ya man. I just have to approach the issue from my side as a fan. The players get to approach it from their side. Same with the owners. I'm not about to fret over the owners freedom to move their teams away from my city either.

I think they should be required to sell the team if they don't like the city the team is in. Maybe that's not fair to them, but it's fair to me as a fan.