The Atheist Experience

The Atheist Experience Aug 6, 2018 22:01:25 GMT

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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 6, 2018 22:01:25 GMT

Aug 6, 2018 13:58:09 GMT @graham said:

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1) you've already said yourself that it proves nothing

That is not what I said. You think I did because you can't follow a discussion including various types of arguments. It gets too complicated for you.

2) To my knowledge I have never, not once in my entire life, said the words "there is no god." Not in a debate, not in a conversation, not in passing. The reason I don't say those words is that I do not believe that statement.

I have, in fact, had arguments with people who claim that they believe there is no god. Arguments in which I challenged them to support their belief, and attempted to show that their reasons were not good ones.

I said it years ago but not recently, so I'll say it again here. There are actually two ways you can "lack" belief in a god. One is to sit quietly at debates about the existence of god without saying anything. There is another. You may ask questions. I have always held that you may ask questions even in a lack of belief.

If by "attempted to show that their reasons were not good ones" you mean you merely asked questions, then yes you can do that even in a lack of belief. I have always granted that. What you cannot do is make any statements from your belief there is no god. You may make statements off topic, on the weather, on the price of coffee, and still "lack" belief in a god. If you make a statement to show that there is no god, and you are not lying, then you have some belief that there is no god. Your statement could be wrong just as well as anyone's could, because after all it is just something you believe.

3) So. Are you too stupid to understand what I'm talking about? Or are you just a damn liar? Those are the only possibilities.

   I have not read all the messages on this board. I do not have time. If you legitimately merely asked questions in your lack of belief I am not aware of those messages. I am only aware of the statements made by various atheists here in attempts to prove there is no god, which I have explained shows that they believe there is no god, despite their claim to lack a belief.

   To make things more clear, let's examine some example questions and statements.

   "There is no evidence for the existence of god (./?)," statement or question?

   Obviously claiming there is no evidence is a statement, not a question. It also happens to be an incorrect statement.

   "Why doesn't god show me this evidence (./?)," statement or question?

   That one is indeed a question, and yes you may ask that question even in a lack of belief. It has been explained to you that evidence and proofs can exist to which you are not a party and they are no less proofs to those witnesses who were present.

   In all my experience here I have only seen a very few posters who honestly lack a belief in a god. You are not one of them.

   The existence of three different concepts of a god have been shown in this article. (See the paragraph just before the last one.) Let's see how well you can dispute those.