Post by Aj_June on Aug 8, 2018 19:55:58 GMT
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Sure. We individuals do not have. But the system has or there is potential. You can try to take down a corrupt prime minister even if it is against constitution and you can potentially knock her off. But no matter how much you try you cannot knock off God from being God or punish God in anyway. You have no chance against God. Zero.
A untrustworthy God is no God unless she has mentioned untrustworthiness as one of her attributes.
Yes, God doesn’t deserve praise for something that is his intrinsic feature or what is naturally expected of her. You can honour the laws made by God but the God doesn’t become good by writing those laws.
Yes, I am speaking of something like that. But it’s not as simple as that my dear. The first thing is to decide if a person lived a wicked life or not.
What are the consequences that God faces for his actions? An example will help the discussion move forward. The thing is that there is no one to judge god or to punish him.
It is your wish but here is the thing - If God’s nature or standard changes then it implies that God is not a perfect being. It may also mean that his justice is not fair. Such a situation creates ethical issues for God and essentially contradicts the nature of monotheistic God. The concept that God’s essential nature and power does not change is tied to mathematical concept of eternity and infinity.
I think we give real respect to historical figures. Some of them motivate us. Some have buildings and places named after that. Token respect is respect we give to almost every human (except evil ones may be) out of courtesy and human kindness.
Is it correct to say that your view is that no matter God's other qualities, no matter how he uses the power he wields, & no matter the fact that people do honor him and appreciate him, none of this matters simply on the basis of God having [alleged] unlimited power somehow transforms him into a thing that deserves none of the adulation and indeed has less of a personality than a mountain?
My view is that you adorn someone with human like qualities such as greatness or goodness for what they achieve in relation to their resources. A God by his very nature is all powerful so what is the meaning of calling him great? A wrestler is born a child and then becomes powerful by exercising and living appropriate lifestyle and wins in wrestling and then we say he/she is great!
We don't have the authority to impose penalties on an authority figures right now.
Sure. We individuals do not have. But the system has or there is potential. You can try to take down a corrupt prime minister even if it is against constitution and you can potentially knock her off. But no matter how much you try you cannot knock off God from being God or punish God in anyway. You have no chance against God. Zero.
He would still be God, he just wouldn't be trustworthy.
A untrustworthy God is no God unless she has mentioned untrustworthiness as one of her attributes.
I was not aware the point was that God writes the law and thus adheres to them. I was gathering the notion that since God writes the law, whether he adheres to them or not, he doesn't deserve or hasn't earned the honor of being creator.
Yes, God doesn’t deserve praise for something that is his intrinsic feature or what is naturally expected of her. You can honour the laws made by God but the God doesn’t become good by writing those laws.
Also, I'm not sure what consequences you're speaking of at death. What is he going to do to wicked people after they die? It's not like they can have any effect on the living or him. I'm not sure why death in and of itself isn't the consequence of a wicked life.
Yes, I am speaking of something like that. But it’s not as simple as that my dear. The first thing is to decide if a person lived a wicked life or not.
There are consequences for him to face at death since he can't die. However, God can face consequences for his actions, they just aren't the same as ours since he is not the same as us. Different circumstances create different consequences.
What are the consequences that God faces for his actions? An example will help the discussion move forward. The thing is that there is no one to judge god or to punish him.
Again, this is not true, but you are welcome to repeat it as many times as you like. Without further information, I just have no reason to reply to it anymore.
It is your wish but here is the thing - If God’s nature or standard changes then it implies that God is not a perfect being. It may also mean that his justice is not fair. Such a situation creates ethical issues for God and essentially contradicts the nature of monotheistic God. The concept that God’s essential nature and power does not change is tied to mathematical concept of eternity and infinity.
At best, token respect is what we give most historical figures.
God faces all kinds of things so I'm not sure why it is required to be a human experience
God faces all kinds of things so I'm not sure why it is required to be a human experience
I think we give real respect to historical figures. Some of them motivate us. Some have buildings and places named after that. Token respect is respect we give to almost every human (except evil ones may be) out of courtesy and human kindness.
Is it correct to say that your view is that no matter God's other qualities, no matter how he uses the power he wields, & no matter the fact that people do honor him and appreciate him, none of this matters simply on the basis of God having [alleged] unlimited power somehow transforms him into a thing that deserves none of the adulation and indeed has less of a personality than a mountain?
My view is that you adorn someone with human like qualities such as greatness or goodness for what they achieve in relation to their resources. A God by his very nature is all powerful so what is the meaning of calling him great? A wrestler is born a child and then becomes powerful by exercising and living appropriate lifestyle and wins in wrestling and then we say he/she is great!