The Atheist Experience

The Atheist Experience Aug 10, 2018 11:35:09 GMT

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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 10, 2018 11:35:09 GMT

Aug 10, 2018 9:48:10 GMT FilmFlaneur said:

Aug 9, 2018 15:58:40 GMT Arlon10 said:

Thank you for making clear what the problem is here. You are a "grunt." That is a disparaging term, I know, I'm sorry. [QED] I couldn't believe Sigourney Weaver (as "Ripley") used the term in the movie Aliens. How rude! And against people her life depended on! It means a person who only follows orders because he isn't capable of independent thought or articulate speech. He depends entirely on what he believes is "authority" for all his thoughts and decisions. ... You are just a grunt.

Grunts accuse their opponents of "fallacies" because it is a simple and seemingly powerful alternative to actually engaging in the argument and building a case. There may indeed be times when arguing that something is not good because it seems unnatural will not be effective in convincing reasonable people of anything. However there can also be times, as with ad hominem, ad populum, ad potentiam and many other types of arguments, that such an argument works very logically. You are obviously not capable of knowing the difference, which is why I recommend you don't ever try.

I see that you have largely given up addressing my point-by-point answers, and now you simply make disparaging comments about me, still thinking it will do in lieu of disputation. It won't. But I can see why you might wish to avoid engaging with things.

There are various types of arguments; ad hominem, ad populum, ad potentiam and others that amateurs on the internet call "fallacies." However they are not always fallacies. The ad hominem "fallacy" only occurs when the personal flaws of the speaker cannot indicate flaws in some argument sufficiently distinct from the speaker. The ad populum argument is not a fallacy in elections. There are times when the ad potentiam argument must take control of a situation, however that isn't working for you

Despite the special pleading implied and non-sequiturs shown in the above paragraph, I will continue to flag up common fallacies whenever you use them. But thank you again.

And you will likely continue to be wrong until some authority you recognize sets you on the right path. That's how it works with grunts. Again I am sorry to use such a disparaging term, but someone needs to clue you in and this is a virtually anonymous place to do that. You have given no "point-by-point" response. You appear to be suffering from the delusion that humans cannot learn anything from nature ever, which of course only a grunt would believe. You appear to have no appreciation for the need to live in harmony with nature, again because you are a grunt. I said the same thing to @graham (same person?), your understanding of the meaning of words, rules of debate and logic is so tenuous that it can be difficult to guess what you are about. I don't believe either of you know yourselves what you are about most of the time.

You have never as far as I know called anything a logical fallacy correctly, and are not likely to ever do that, again because you are a grunt. However since you cannot make any convincing arguments yourself you have no choice but to claim victory because you believe some authority dictates you are victorious, because that is how it is with grunts.