Black Panther being pushed for Best Film nomination

Black Panther being pushed for Best Film nomination Sept 7, 2018 12:38:51 GMT

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Post by Vassaggo on Sept 7, 2018 12:38:51 GMT

Sept 7, 2018 11:10:00 GMT Caesium137 said:

Sept 7, 2018 9:47:02 GMT Vassaggo said:

And no I don't think their Collective Opinion is any better or worse than "hobo jims." Just because someone works in an industry it doesn't mean their individual or collective opinion on art is better or worse than any others. Now if they work in an industry and they are grading objective matter then yes their input would be important. This is not the case. 7 billion people on the planet could say Howard the Duck is a bad movie. 1 person could say it was a good movie. That 1 person's opinion is no less or more valuable than the other 7 billion.

Working in an industry exposes you to craft and technique that layman wont be aware of, so that bolded statement is inaccurate on your part.

1 person against 7 billion. The 1 person must possess extraordinary reasoning to show why Howard the Duck is a good movie especially if he's going against 7 billion detractors.

As other posters have mentioned there are technical qualities in writing a good script and directing a good film, so movies being completely subjective is a myth I'm afraid. These are not objective and when put up against something inferior you can deduce shortcomings in the form of pacing, plot, character, direction, etc. Unless someone is able to write a qualitative analysis on why Howard the Duck is better than the Godfather, then movie is not 100% subjective.

I am sorry, but working in the industry may give you insight, but their opinion of a movie being good or bad is just an opinion. Even if you know every written and unwritten rule there is to making movies. This may go a long way to helping them explain their opinion though. I don't have to know how a gourmet burger is made to know I like or dislike it. I don't have to know why an artist chose the paintings compositional layout, brush stroke technique, color pallet, or balance between light and shadows to like a painting or consider it good.

Being in the industry could in certain situations be detrimental when forming their opinion. Their overall opinion could be tainted because they know how the sausage is made. Instead of enjoying it as a whole piece of art they could get hung up on a bad scene, a bit of technical gaffe, etc.

I think where I differ from you on this is Good and Bad are qualifiers that are separate from the making of art. Someone could intentionally throw out every technical quality in writing and directing, and people can still think it's a great film Those technical qualities are just opinions that for the most part people agree on. In college I watched a 30min movie short of a man sitting in a chair out of focus, in a poorly lit room with a wired naked light bulb. The light bulb flickered randomly the whole time. Making that buzz lights sometimes emits. In the end just before fading to black a very light grey word appears on the screen. You almost couldn't read it. It said Depression. We had to discuss it for an 1hr. How it was shot, why was he out of focus and off to the side. What were the nicknacks in the window sill? To some this movie was groundbreaking and great to others it was trash.

In the end in my opinion nobodies opinion is important only your own. This means everybody's.