Okay, this question is mostly (though not necessarily) for straight men...

Oct 20, 2018 18:14:49 GMT dirtypillows said:

Oct 20, 2018 10:09:01 GMT ant-mac said:

Well, while it's amusing - and probably contains more than an element of truth to it - at the end of the day it's still a piece of forty year-old gossip.

So I'll bear it in mind if I ever come across further stories or tales that back it up.

But at this stage, I'm not yet ready to consider it holy gospel.

That's cool that you like her.  Despite what myself and a handful of others have said about RW, really there shouldn't be any compulsion to stop liking somebody whom you really like because of outside pressure.  If I was trying to get you to not like her, then I was wrong to do that.   It's just that I don't particularly like the woman.   

I love Joan Crawford and Bette Davis and I KNOW that neither one of these ladies were even close to angels, particularly Crawford.  I believe Christina Crawford's account, "Mommie Dearest", absolutely, yet I am still able to admire and enjoy and even like Joan Crawford.  Nothing anybody can say would change my feelings about these 2 women.  I enjoy liking them too much.

And I like Guns 'n Roses and Chick Filet, and, as a gay man, I have been criticized for liking both ( as they have anti-gay sentiments)   I don't care.  I like GNR music a lot.  Human nature is more complicated than these either/or premises.

I don't know much of the one and only indomitable and terrifying JC from her movies, as I have only seen a couple. I have seen more of Davis. How would you compare them as actresses Mr. D? Would you say Davis is more of a legend in the acting stakes, or was Crawford better? I know I couldn't have cared for Crawford as a person, yet I would have kowtowed before the feet of Davis. Apparently, when Michael Caine first met her, he said he was introduced to her by Jessica Tandy and Hume Cronyn. He said one of the first things she said to him was that he reminded her of a young Leslie Howard and that Howard had slept with all his leading ladies except her, because she didn't want just be another of his conquests. She then commented how she felt if things may have been different if she had. Caine then asked her if she would accompany him to dinner and Davis said I wasn't making a pass at you.  Caine said he felt that Davis was just feeling some sense of regret with what she was expressing.