Post by goz on Dec 20, 2018 1:51:37 GMT
Dec 20, 2018 1:35:24 GMT @graham said:
I don't see any need for Christians to recoil from the idea that God sometimes suspends justice in favor of mercy, making God not always just.
If I were a Christian I would only object to calling it "unjust" because that word always connotes some sort of badness, while mercy can be good. (Maybe Christians need to coin a word, like "extrajust".)
Of course the system is bogus either way because hell cannot be a just punishment for anything. An infinite punishment for finite crimes.
I think the OP's question was intended to mean, "Is God ever unjust?", rather than, "Does God ever exercise some alternative to justice?"
As to why God isn't always merciful, I suppose the Christian response is to answer that God, being God, has perfect knowledge of when mercy should and should not be extended.
But then if god is beyond human understanding, how can any human reasonably claim to know that he is either just or merciful?
I put it to you that if that argument is acceptable, I can equally claim that god is utterly unjust, utterly unmerciful, and utterly evil. I have just as much evidence, and the argument makes exactly as much logical sense, as the christian claim for the opposite position. You can't even cite any of god's actions to argue against me because I can just say "Well that appeared just and merciful to you, but it was actually an act of evil - you just don't understand how it is evil because you aren't god."
1. subject to the human concept of justice and doling it out
2. for God to be beyond human understanding so inherently 'outside laws of human justice' so Christians have to put up with whatever their omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient power meets out!
I don't see it as a logical stance and more of conundrum and it can't be both ways.

