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Even when I say that I don't think Black Panther doesn't deserve an oscar nomination, you are still pushing that people who like the MCU want it to get nominated. The only reason I will smile is because of the impotent rage racist ass holes will hate it. You telling me if you were around a racist asshole complaining about BP getting nominated you would smile or laugh in their face? 





It just sounds like you are trying to find an excuse to explain why critics like MCU and Fox's X-men. Like you need to discredit the positive reviews for MCU while still enjoying the positive reviews of X-men. Why does people's  opinion matter so much to you? I'll say it for the upteenth hundred time. Positive reviews is just other peoples opinion. They don't determine if a movie is good. The only thing they due is illustrate what movies are critically acclaimed. That's it. 

It's also funny that when MCU is liked the general public they are pandering to the dumb masses, but when a movie you like is popular to the general public it's just the movie is reaching the audience. It's almost just like the critical acclaim you want to find a way to accept the praise from the general public while simultaniously descrediting the same people who like Marvel Studios movies. That's kind of interesting. You do know Fox execs, directors, actors, producers, writers hope every release day that their product appeals to that general public you call the dumb masses. Without that connection studios would lose money. The dumb masses make it possible for you to enjoy the movies you enjoy. Without them the X-men wouldn't have continued. 




So you are just going to make up the definition to words now? At best your interactions with people is anecdotal and as such is a small sample size? The first rule of statistics is that with larger sample sizes you increase precision and decrease standard deviations. 

Words have meanings you just can't make up your own. Prestigious and Acclaim means, praise, admiration, respect, to honor, and award. You can't determine that with little conversations you've had on the internet and people bring up WS when discussing movies. To find out if the public and critics admire and acclaim a movie you have to use tools that show that. RT, IMDB, Cineamscore, and Metacritic show with a large sample size what the general public and critics are saying about a movie. That's all they do. They don't make up the critics and audiences scores. They don't skew them they just take them and package them for ease of use. You would get the same scores if you tallyed all the critics scores that you personally went out and asked movie critics. You would get the same rating from the audience if you randomly choose 10,000+ people to rate a movie. Would that make it easier to take? Do you still think RT skews critical reviews to the MCU? When 30% is owned by WB and 70% by NBC Universal. Two companies that are direct competition with Disney/Marvel? 

How would you quantify the public's and critic's acclaim of a movie? How large a sample size would you use. I'm sorry but anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it. And we can't change the meanings of words for you to try and make anecdotal evidence true. 



While you wait maybe you can find this formula everyone talks about. Do you think Disney keeps it under lock and key? You ever think their formula is to introduce characters, introduce the characters to a scenario with human/sentience controllers of that scenario, have the scenario and the controllers defeated in a climax, and then show how the Characters changed for going through that scenario? You know basic storytelling. I wonder how they cracked the code and got Critics and Audiences to love their offering. It can't be that they generally care what the audience sees and wants them to have a good time. It can't be that humor, heart and spectacle the universal mantra of action stories have used? Maybe the formula is to shake up the genre with different styles of sub genre movies so their movies don't get stale. 



I lost. What were we playing? Would I have won the majic wand you use to turn Opinions in to Facts? How many people do you think believed that they were going to kill of the main star of a movie in the climax of a 80's family comedy? You think it was everyone? Seems to me you can't gauge the tone of a movie while watching it if they thought he was really going to die. I can't believe you are championing the idea that people could actually think that would happen. I can't believe you did. You have to jerking my chain. 

There was no suspense it Marty fading away because you know that was never going to happen. Just like everyone knows the dusted won't stay dead. The only suspense that was in BTTF was what was going to change after his Dad grew a pair. The only suspense in the dusting is how are they going to try and get them back and how they will comeback when they do. Like will they have the same personality as before they died? 

And what I mean by emotional connection is having Marty stare at is hand like he was on acid, doesn't come close to a 15 year old kid begging not to die because he was scared. Or Cap feeling the weight of the trillions of failures he just had resting on his shoulders. 

If you can't see that then you must be watching an entirely different set of movies. 

And as for your upteenth hundred attempt to pigeon hole me and say I think MCU movies are better than anything else. Answer me this Why would I rate Aquaman higher than half the MCU. I put X2, Spidey 2, First Class, BB and TDK at the top of my list beating out almost all the MCU movies. It seems if I were to fit in your pigeon hole that I wouldn't have rival movies above most of the MCU movies. Curious. It's like I don't think MCU movies are better than all other movies. Hell, it seems like I don't even think it's better than rival comicbook movies weird. I must be wrong some how.





Ok for the upteenth hundred time lets do this. Maybe if I did it caps lock you will understand. I still got to ask is english your second language because. I THINK JENNIFER LAWRENCE'S MYSTIQUE HAS A BETTER ARC THAN ANY MCU FEMALE LED ARC. SHE DOES THIS WITHOUT REALLY TRYING IN 1.5 MOVIES. THIS IS A BOON FOR YOU. SHE CAN BEAT ALL THE FEMALES IN THE MCU GIVING MINIMUM EFFORT. Have we got it straight now or do I have to wait for another paragraph continuing a debate that conceeded to you multipe messages ago. You won that debate point. Celebrate don't keep bring it back up. It was settled a while ago. Sheesh




I'm not going to ask again, but dude read what I said. I said that the deaths in DoFP and IW didn't mean much because we know they aren't going to stick. The only thing that does matter is in the moments right before temporary death. I'm not saying IW had more moments than DoFP entire movie. I''m saying during IW death montage there were more emotional moments between characters than in DoFP death montage. In DoFp you get the dignified moment between friends Magneto and Charles. I think it was the Rogue cut you see the emotional moment of Kitty accepting that Bobby wasn't with them. I can't think of any more character to character connection in DoFp death montage. 

Now in IW death montage you have Spiderman Begging for his life to his Father Figure. You have the Father Figure realizing his worst fear is happening his adopted son/ward (in a mental since not actual) is dying in front of him. You see Rocket saying no no no as his son dies infront of him. You see the shock, suprise and hurt when Okye's king melts in his hand. You see Cap powerless to even movie as he watches Bucky disintegrate


I've never understood the persistent need for groundedness. In the beginning it was a direct tactic to separate itself from the 90's cheezey Batmans, Steel, Tank Girl etc. The audience would not accept a colorful pallet and bright light. That was a complaint from people who didn't read or like the comicbooks. That was the market and it could only bear so much color. Now we are in the time period where people accept and want to honor the source material. I always see you use the line "it looks like a cartoon" Why not say what you really mean. It looks like a comic book page. That's what the MCU is going for. If it's good enough for comic book readers for almost a 90+ years it should be good enough for comic book watchers. The colorful costumes set tone, show individuality, instantaneous recognition, and helps tell the story. If you cut that out you are kicking the legs out from underneath the aesthetic.  X-men has lightened up since their Black Leather phase they even went toward the bright colors of the 60's in First Class and in some scenes in DoFP they went full disco funk color pallet. The worst offender is the muted tones/greys of Snyder. His worst offender isn't a comicbook movie, but one written and directed by himself, Sucker Punch. He missed all kinds of opportunities in that movie to use muted vs hyper color vs surreal color in that movie. Each color pallet representing a level of the dream sequences. The real world being grey and hostile. The day dream that the women's asylum turned brothel being hyper colorful and the fantasy world field with clockwork nazi's, robots, fire breathing dragons could've be surreal. Alas he stuck with grey tone, slightly brighter grey tone, and muddy brown/grey tone. So I guess x-men could've been worse.




Did you use the wand and make a fact out of opinion. Funny when you type in Days of Future Past genre into Google it gives you a nice list of what genre the movie falls into. What it spit out when I did that was  Action, Adventure, Superhero, Science Fiction, Thriller, and Fantasy. 

I would recite the new rules about denigrating a whole group of people by calling them liars, but you know what you are a doing. You are trying to goad me. I got to tell you it's not going to work.

I am supposing you have read above this and actually read it this time. So you know I was specifically talking about the moments during the Sentinel Attack and the Future X-men Dying vs the Snap and the montage of Avengers dying. From my memory I pulled out 5 in IW in Dofp with the added scenes from the Rogue cut I remember 2. Now I'm not saying that is the final count. It's just what I remember. If you can remember 4 other moments in that specific scene and describe them I'll trust your knowledge. That really does sound like a mind of a Liar doesn't it. Me willing to trust your memory. Now we shouldn't even count the Kitty looking for Bobby and acknowledging he's dead if it's only in the Rogue Cut. Again I can't remember. If that scene is not in the Theatrical Cut then it shouldn't count unless we are using a Director Cut of IW. 




Are you sure you are talking to me? I value no ones opinion but my own and maybe my best friend. Maybe if I put it in large type it will sink in... THE ONLY PERSON'S OPINION THAT MATTERS IS YOUR OWN. I DON'T VALUE IMDB, RT, CRITICS, AWARDS, AND ANY OTHER OPINION. NOBODIES OPINION OUTSIDE YOUR OWN DETERMINES IF A MOVIE IS GOOD OR BAD. THE ONLY REASON I USED RT, METACRITIC, IMDB, CINEMASCORE WITH THE ACCLAIM/PRESTIGIOUS COMPARISON OF MOVIES IN THE MCU  POST IS BECAUSE BY DEFINITION FOR SOMETHING TO BE PRESTIGIOUS/ACCLAIMED IT HAS TO BE REVERED , ADMIRED, PRAISED, RESPECTED AND HONORED. I DON'T HAVE 10,000 PEOPLE EMAIL OR CONTACT INFO IN MY PHONE. TO SEE WHICH MOVIE HAS THE MOST EXAMPLES OF THOSE QUALITIES I HAD TO GO WHERE PEOPLE REVERE, ADMIRE, PRAISE, RESPECT, AND HONOR MOVIES. BOTH THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND CRITICS. I RESPECT THE MEANING OF PRESTIGIOUS/ACCLAIMED. SO I FOLLOW WHAT THE WORDS ACTUALLY MEAN. INSTEAD OF CREATING A DEFINITION TO FIT MY AGENDA.

Do we understand now?


Subjective opinion. I see you got the wand out again.





Remember when I don't give a fuck about other peoples opinion? Yeah that includes Jodi Foster's opinion. And know we are back to using the wand to try and pass of opinion as fact. Why do you care about supporting your opinions with other peoples opinion. Is your security in your own thoughts and opinions so low that you have to seek out validation? Why do you care so much about how people look at IW. You didn't like it great. You are entitled to your opinion, but your obsession with MCU, Black Panther, IW, etc is unhealthy. It's funny that people can be amazed at how IW shouldn't even be coherent with all the hurdles stacked against it. The sheer fact that it does work as a movie is almost a miracle. You can't see that. Like Stephen King said (he stole this from another author) no movie will destroy my book. It will always be there unchanged. Well no movie will destroy the X-men comic books. They will always bee there. No movie will destroy the Fox-men movies they will always be there. The Paranoia you feel that some how the MCU is destroying the genre is unfounded. The mainstream is accepting us and the books. There used to be a majority of people out their who thought comics and there readers were unsophisticated swine. They use to harrass and belittle people who read comic books. They thought they were just for children they didn't know that they were also for adults. In the 70's they didn't see College students reading the books and asking Stan Lee to come speak about his art form and people treating them like literature.  Now you gone over the side and come back down. You have turned in to the snob that ridicules, demeans, and harrasses people for the crime of enjoying something you don't. So what if you don't like the MCU movies. Don't watch them, but this constant need to belittle people is obsessive.  Relax, all of us get passionate about this stuff, but calling some a liar for enjoying something different a whole group of fans a liar. Is just over the top and wrong. I hold out hope the same way I do for DC-Fan that this is a calculated response to illicit a response from people. I feel sorry for you if this is what everyday for you is. I'm an optimist so I hope that's not the case. No one should have to live that way. Just let people like what they like. State you opinions as opinions. Don't try to sturdy up your opinion with others' opinion. Your opinion is good enough. Trust me. People will respect your opinion on it's on merits. Enjoy the comics.  Comics are modern myths told by pictograph and color. It's appeal is meant for children to adults. Why does movies with bright colors like the page bother you so? Why does it bother you that kids are in the demographic for comic book readership? Did you not read comics as a child and adolescences? Or did you wait until you were an adult to pick up the hobby? Why are you denying the people like yourself if you did start reading as a kid the pleasure of enjoying stories they love? Comic Book movies can have allegory, metaphor, and say something while still being aimed at children of all ages. From 10 year olds to 50 year old children at heart. That's what makes Comics so wonderful. They use a medium that can appeal to a 10 year old and a 45 year old reading the same book. Why shouldn't the extension of the story, ie the Movie, not be as magical and age defying/neutral as the books?