Post by bluerisk on Jan 5, 2019 11:07:24 GMT
Hell, the original trek, even contradicted historical scientific fact... I just re-watched "Court Martial", for the half dozenth time. We knew all too well, that in 1966, that objects could orbit the Earth for months, if not years, before it's orbit would decay... and yet, a 23rd century starship, in standard orbit, would start to deorbit a planet, in minutes, if the engines were turned off? Talk about laughable!
Sulu was freezing to death on a planet, because the transporters couldn't be him up... And yet, no shuttles, no probes, no long rope, to get him some hot coffee, blankets, winter clothes, or additional phasers to heat rocks with?
And this show is what you base your whole CANON thing on? ROTFWL!
The biggest problem with ENTERPRISE was that it was a prequel show, and that it contradicted your expectations and nostalgia.
When a show can't keep itself straight over a 4 to 7 year period, then no one can keep perfect records of events that took place 100 or 200 years earlier...
FYI, While the Ferengi, Borg, & Romulan, episodes (A big argument against Enterprise) bent canon severely, it didn't break it... The Ferengi never mentioned their species, The Borg never said: "We Are The BORG", and the crew didn't have visual communications with the Romulans...
Did you know that 7of9 of Voyager, was assimilated by the Borg, BEFORE the first episode of TNG, and long before Q introduced the Enterprise to the Borg?
Where is the hate for Voyager, for contradicting TNG?
Star Trek is famous for all kinds of bad record keeping, and Time Travel...
Who knows what really happened over the years...
Now take a look at what DISCOVERY is doing...
#1 on the list... Spock has an adopted sister? The biggest Starfleet Mutineer in history... And no mention of her, before now?
And the list goes on.ha
I never understood and continue to do so, why they don't went further on the timeline...
*according to canon they never saw each other, a strange and idiotic premise. Concerning the limited technology of the 60s it might seem reasonable...like submarine crew who never saw the face of the enemy, but with the modern technology where video transmission is next to nothing (=> youtube, skype), it makes absolutely no sense. Also ground troops would face each other. But we know, that even the federation is lying and conducts cover up operation (=> Pegasus project).
So why is it ok to say direct contact with Romulans is ok, with the Borg absolutely not?! Because the first would base on a common agreement (=> treaty of Algeron - which could include extra accords which are not shared with the public). And both sides have interests to abide to these secret accords.
The Borg however do not negotiate, and when they detect a potential target, they go for it. And with their far more advanced technology they would detect the humans first and thus know about them. And even if it were only humanity who know about them, Star Fleet hadn't been entirely clueless when they got hit the first time. It was no other then the almighty Q who introduced humanity to the Borgs, as unknown threat. And Q is even beyond section 31. There is no cover up explanation in the face of an entity like Q.
So either the Borg had been long before on our doorsteps, or we wouldn't be surprised to encounter them, at least Star Fleet Command, and on top it doesn't work with Q.
Most of Enterprise dealt with races, events and story arcs which have nothing to do with the canon and are excused with alternate timelines and universes, and that is just the lazy-man's way to put the canon aside because you have no idea to tell a good story within the canon. And then you have fan boys like you...defending them; but don't cry murder, if they go further and further down the road, and now they have made it even about a political agenda.
I stop Enterprise because I was bored with this time travel crap. Time travel is in nine out of ten the jumping shark. The moment when they declare their artistic bankruptcy.
You foremost seem to confuse simply errors, plot holes and technical implausible things with breaking with canon.
canon is the history and lore, not the scientific evaluation or plausibility of a plot tools.
So yes:
The biggest problem with ENTERPRISE was that it was a prequel show, and that it contradicted your expectations and nostalgia.Not expectations and nostalgia but the canon, the history and lore of Strak Trek: who did what when. Imperator Caesar Divi filius Augustus was born on 23 September 63 BC:
Who: Imperator Caesar Divi filius Augustus - better known as Augustus, first emperor of the Roam empire
what: was born
when: 23 september 63 BC
He had one daughter, Julia, now adding an adopted son (and Augustus was the adopted son of Gaius Iulius Caesar) who even plays a crucial role in the history of the Roman Empire would not fit with our historical records - our canon, our history. That's it is about. If Roman soldiers wear a piece of armour that was not invented then, is not breaking the canon, but it is an inaccuracy (a clear error) due to the lack of historical knowledge or of being careless, but as long as this piece of armour is plausibly within the range of technology, it not breaking the canon. A battle-suit with force fields etc. pp. that requires are far advanced technology (and thus a century long time-line of technological inventions, our technological evolution), however, is.
In Si-Fi (Fi like fiction) is not that technology is not plausible to our knowledge, but that is is a key technology and still has never been introduced before, is not part of the introduced canon e.g. history of the created universe.
If you introduced suddenly nukes in the era of the crusades: where does the technology come from if these people lack the technology that pre-dates this technology (you can't build a nuke if you lack the technology to mine and process uranium), and why have they stopped using it, if it is an absolute game changer?! And why is their no written records about it.

