Who sends evil people to Hell?

Who sends evil people to Hell? Apr 24, 2019 1:42:49 GMT goz and rizdek like this

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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 1:42:49 GMT

Apr 23, 2019 21:28:30 GMT Rodney Farber said:

On an atheist call-in show, Denise from Portland, Oregon, calls and tells the hosts that they are sending themselves to Hell after they die because they don't believe in God.

Jeff Dee: If you believe there is a Hell, and you belive the atheists are going to go there, 'cause why? Your God's going to send us there, right?

Denise: No, they [atheists] send themselves there.

What follows is Denise trying to double-talk her way that Yahweh is not the one sending them to Hell. (After all, a kind and just Jehovah never would do that.)

Here's the complete conversation
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoUCHtGyoFg

The theist will usually claim that atheists send themselves to hell because they refuse to accept jesus as their saviour, which would get them out of hell. It's analogous to something like a person who is trapped in a burning building, and a fireman on a ladder comes to the window and offers to rescue them but the person refuses - it's then their fault that they burn.

The trouble with that is twofold. One, it's allegedly god who set the system up to function that way. If the christian hell exists it's because the christian god created it. If sinners go to hell it's because god decided that they must. If there is no escape from hell, it's because the christian god wanted it that way. If god builds a flammable building and then deliberately set fire to it then god is responsible for the resulting deaths, even if the people did refuse their rescue.

Two, even disregarding that, the system fails because there's no reasonable way to know that jesus IS an escape from hell. In the fireman analogy it's clearly demonstrable that the building is on fire, and that there is a fireman who is offering you a rescue; it's not obviously clear that there is a christian hell or that jesus is a way to avoid it - even some christians don't believe this.

A more accurate analogy would be me saying something like "there's a disaster coming but if you agree to do as I say for the rest of your life, the disaster will never hit you." A reasonable person would turn down that offer. And if the disaster does subsequently hit, that doesn't mean that it's the fault of the victim; the warning was not credible.