Post by Arlon10 on May 2, 2019 21:54:21 GMT
Ordinarily religion fares much better. The faith you don't realize you have is the worst faith there is. People who believe in science don't realize theirs is as much faith as anyone else has. Ordinarily people who believe in a god are perfectly aware they can't do anything miraculous, that there is little or no evidence for their beliefs, that theirs are indeed beliefs. People who will believe in mind reading so long as the claim is based on what they think is "science" are on this board and you can see how wrong blind faith in science can go.
A desire to rule the world doesn't make anyone scientific at heart or better at math, it just makes makes them invoke the most powerful thing they can imagine, which to them is "science," but they aren't any good at real science because they don't have the heart of a scientist.
Science can be powerful and have the last word in some disputes, but not on most issues in society. I've said it many times, but here it is again. If everyone agrees they want to build a birdhouse, science can help. It can even help attract a specific kind of bird. If people cannot decide whether to build a birdhouse, a lawn sprinkler or a badminton court there is really nothing science can do. Most issues in society arise because people cannot agree on what must be done and science is really useless in politics.
I suspect that when you develop the true heart of a scientist you will realize that religion is a good and necessary thing. You will realize that Donald Trump is not religious. You will realize that there are many important things even science cannot do.
1) " People who believe in science don't realize theirs is as much faith as anyone else has." -- this is completely wrong. Science requires far less faith than religion, in fact that is the point of science. Instead of needing to accept some kind of divine revelation or other mumbo jumbo from some authority figure on faith, science provides arguments based on experiments, often ones that anyone can perform and even more often can be understood by laymen. The only faith required of science is an assumption that there is consistency in the universe, far far less than what is required in Christianity, for example.
2) "If people cannot decide whether to build a birdhouse, a lawn sprinkler or a badminton court there is really nothing science can do." Replace "science" with "religion" and you're still saying the same thing.
You perhaps need to get out more. Your concept of "religion" is terribly distorted. Do you think Trump followers are "religious"? They are definitely not. They just want to be rulers. They'll take any excuse they can get away with. Since they are incapable of science they'll take whatever they think they can get instead, like nationalism. They don't actually try religion because they don't have any themselves.
You have what religion "fails" to do wrong in the example of the birdhouse/lawn sprinkler/badminton court scenario. It does not force any decision on anyone, that much is true. That however is not a failing. It doesn't try to force a decision on anyone. People who believe in science do try to force decisions on others in the name of science, but without real science to support them. You are still trying to be the "boss" (or a low ranking soldier for the boss) through science and still can't see how futile that is. You had obvious difficulty understanding artistic (not literal) representations of a god. In your latest reply you actually assumed people incapable of science can somehow manage it. That isn't working, and you shouldn't be surprised.