Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 8, 2019 12:04:57 GMT
When people propagate something as truth that is not true, there are two possibilities: They are liars, or fools.
When you know that something is not true and tell it anyway as if it were true, you are a liar.
When you don't know if something is true but believe it and tell it as if it were true, you are a fool.
The liar knows the facts don't match the narrative; the fool doesn't bother to check if the facts match the narrative. Whether it's laziness or willful ignorance doesn't matter.
However, not all religious preachers are liars or fools. If they admit that they don't know for sure if God exists, just believe it, and make their services for like-minded people; without trying to convince others that the deity of their choice exists, then they make their service for likeminded people, who likewise accept that there's no proof for said deity, and don't try to convince others. And in my opinion there's nothing wrong with it.
But this is not what parents who drill their children into believing in Santa do. They want to manipulate their children's behaviour. "If you are not nice, Santa won't bring you any presents".
And that's also what some fundie preachers do. "If you don't repent, you are going to hell". These types of people are liars.
In my opinion people who try to say it's not the same, because you can't prove that God exist but can prove that Santa does not exist (their words, not mine), are to be taken as seriously as conspiracy theorists.
In fact, maybe belief in conspiracy theories might be a better analogy to belief in God and wanting to believe it's true and trying to convince others, than belief to Santa.
In my opinion, true believers in conspiracy theories are fools. They really believe their nonsense.
People who tell their children that Santa exists are liars. They know that the Santa they tell their children about does not exist.
Religious preachers who try to convert others can be both. Since I'm not a mind reader I can't know what their motivation is. I just know that I can take their claims as seriously as claims about Santa or whatever conspiracy theory you want to believe.
I can't think of a time anyone could write essays explaining to me why I should appreciate being called a liar or a fool simply on the basis of the person calling me either. I personally think someone is a fool who cannot even begin to comprehend the views of the majority of mankind without insulting them.
Stick to the narrative created in this thread or create your own about the nuance of dishonesty that no one will pay attention to.
I have no desire or interest in discussing with you the proof of God's non-existence since you have none.
The argument was lying to your kid about Santa is the same as teaching your kid about belief which it is not and only a moron would think so.
Are you a moron?


