Post by Ecstasy on Jun 26, 2019 2:58:19 GMT
To me it comes across more like it was foreshadowing the Phoenix which we see later in the film, and peoples thinking from what I recall simply was well they have started on the Phoenix path so the next movie will deal with that right? just like in X2 ends with Jean saving everyone and the Phoenix being seen in Alkali Lake, that Jean feared the darkness or whatever is ambiguous enough.
But what is up with this rant below?
Which BTW pick a bloody side already, this is what I am getting at you are so desperately trying to add some merit to this movie and Kinberg, either this movie wasn't actually meant to be or is a Dark Phoenix movie or it was and is
I watched the movie twice and my opinion on it has changed a bit. Went from mediocre to okay, still hesitant on calling it good though. The pacing greatly improved like I heard people say after they rewatched it. However, the alien stuff is really underdeveloped and ideas could have been executed a lot better.
any complaint anyone has to this film, Kinberg
Dude, I made a thread about Kinberg accepting the blame for the film not connecting with enough audiences and that said that a more experienced director should have handled the film. I admitted he was partly at fault.
the lameness of them doing a do over you try countering it by saying oh no it wasn't that it was Fox making them do this
lol I never said this.
this was meant to be a smaller movie not a blockbuster...despite the original $170m budget
Which was revealed after I said that.
oh and having to cut multiple major scenes of a blockbuster nature because one looked too much like a major scene from Civil War, a $1+ B grossing movie,another looked too much like the climax of Captain Marvel another $1B+ grossing movie, that
That’s actually not true according to Deadline Hollywood.
We heard that in one cut, Jean Grey dies, which wasn’t received well. But overall, the major ending change-up, executed in reshoots, entailed going from an intimate ending with Jean Grey (Sophie Turner), Tye Sheridan (Cyclops), and Charles Xavier (James McAvoy) against Jessica Chastain’s Vuk. The feeling from the audience in testing was that they wanted to see all the X-Men heroes fighting in the end. There have been reports out there that the ending was changed-up because it was too similar to Captain Marvel. This isn’t true: No one on the Fox/Dark Phoenix production side had any intel of what Captain Marvel would be like before it was released. It was the all-team reshoot that pushed Dark Phoenix from its original Nov. 2 release date (which went to ultimate 4-time Oscar winner and Fox blockbuster finale pre-merger Bohemian Rhapsody) to Feb. 14.
deadline.com/2019/06/dark-phoenix-bombs-at-the-box-office-reasons-why-1202629749/
And why do you have a beef with me reporting news on this movie?
this wasn't meant to be a Dark Phoenix they didn't even originally call it that it was called Supernova...despite Kinberg himself stating that was just the codename they used in the scripting phase and it was always going to be a Dark Phoenix story
Lol you’re acting like I lied about it when I was just simply wrong. I don’t read every single interview.
the various the Phoenix is part of Jean, it isn't part of Jean, now the darkness is part of her no it wasn't it was the "solar flare" flip flopping
The name “Phoenix” is just a nickname for Jean in the film universe in both timelines.
oh they foreshadows this with this scene which actually does more to foreshadow the climax of that movie and shows that they hadn't thought this plot through at that point
Kinberg and Hutch were actually talking of Dark Phoenix in post-production of Apocalypse.
how because they repeat something from the opening from another movie somehow makes it more thought out and clever or something...?
When did I say it was clever? Never. So you’re just making a strawman.
People make analysis on films all the time.
Only consistent thing is you making excuses for this film fucking up a bunch of shit and Kinberg being a dozy bastard, if you like the film that's fantastic find joy in whatever you can, but don't keep making excuses for the bloody thing, there are loads of films I love despite themselves for one reason or another, one thing I say unlike you is I phrase what I like about them as my taste, you keep phrasing everything as fact, when no it's opinion, and many of your "facts" aren't even opinion but bs like the this film not being intended to be a blockbuster, not meaning to be a Dark Phoenix story and so on, and the fact you flip flop the arguments depending on the criticism shows you are just trying to make excuses for it imo.
When did I say that people should like this movie?