I do not believe that Michael Jackson was a predator...

I do not believe that Michael Jackson was a predator... Jul 26, 2019 21:33:43 GMT Toasted Cheese likes this

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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 26, 2019 21:33:43 GMT

Jul 26, 2019 20:43:28 GMT lenlenlen1 said:

Jul 26, 2019 20:07:20 GMT dirtypillows said:

The thing about Michael Jackson is that I think he saw himself as a child and unlike a true predator, I don't believe that he had sinister intentions whatsoever. In fact, quite the opposite. And I guess to be specific, what do you classify as molestation? I doubt very seriously if he did anything past what children do - show me yours and I'll show you mine - and that would be the worst thing that he might have done. I don't think that he did anything more extreme than that. And what's more, true child molesters are more than happy to take away the innocence of the child. They are all about exploiting their innocence and this is exactly what Michael Jackson did not do. I very seriously doubt that any of the boys have any ill feeling towards MJ nor are they suffering today because of their association with the guy.

Obviously I am not joking. You already knew that.

I don't have kids. It's too big a responsibility.

Forgiveness is key. Whether or not you are in a forgiving spirit is up to you, but hanging on to all the anger is horrible for the soul.

I'll start with your last point. Forgiveness IS key. I agree. But only AFTER the person has been punished (jail time) for their crimes. I do believe in redemption, but only after real actions have been taken... which are A) admission and acceptance of guilt, and B) atonement according to the law, which may come in the form of fines or jail time or both.

And yes, I do realize these are no longer applicable to MJ.

If you see the Documentary Leaving Neverland you will hear accusations (which I believe) that he did in fact do MUCH worse than just "show me yours and I'll show you mine". Much worse. And he kept on doing it, over many years, with many victims. It was very hard to watch. Very few documentaries or works of fiction made me feel that uncomfortable.

If these accusations are true, then yes of course he exploited their innocence, and yes they do feel horrible about what happened to them, to the point that it still affects them now. Just because he bought them toys and played with them and hid the misconduct under he guise of child like play doesn't mean they didn't grow up and realize what was happening.

I guess we'll never know 100% for sure exactly what happened. But come on... we all thought something was suspicious. All the little boys, all the pay offs, all the accusations... Where's there's smoke there's a fire. Well there's a little too much smoke there imo.

I wonder if you'd watch the doc and then tell me what you thought. I'd like to hear your opinions about it.

The capacity to forgive is not contingent upon the need for the revenge/need for justice. It comes from a spiritual place, from deep within. How many Jews forgave Hitler? Do you know how deep this goes?

Maybe I will watch the documentary. I will say that I agree with you that none of us will ever know for sure what really happened. What is comes down to now is that you believe the accusations and I do not. Simple as that, really. And as far as everybody thinking something was suspect... Well, isn't that just the way human nature goes. I tell you what, lenny (is that okay if I call you that? don't want to disrespect you on that) - if you read Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery", then I will watch "Leaving Neverland". Fair deal?

Deeply scary and disturbing tale...

Shirley Jackson was a brilliantly intuitive mind and she knew what it was all about, namely the danger of ominous group think and society's need for scapegoats, which brings out the very worst in human nature. This need to judge and to hide in the crowd and not be accountable for one's own POV. Most people are just blind blind blind. It is beyond maddening. If you are the type of person who thinks for himself and maybe has been burdened with some anti-group sentiments along the way, then it's just a dreadful prospect. And I think - unlike you - that Michael Jackson was unfairly condemned. It is my deepest feeling that Michael Jackson did nothing truly bad. And it's all a fine line, really... a judgment call, if you will... The bottom line and what is so much more relevant than "facts", I think, is that people see what they want to see. And most people gravitate towards the crowd. Fortunately or unfortunately, I have never done this.

But I take great comfort in the knowledge that one of my greatest heroes, Shirley Jackson, could not do it, either.