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Post by thenolan on Aug 20, 2019 22:24:41 GMT
How is DOFP overrated.Compared to which movie? I didn't even love DOFP as much as I did until I saw a worse execution of time travel with another marvel movie called Endgame, that missed more opportunities even for MCU usual immature standards.
Mystique's ending was not a shock ending, if you have watched many time travel movie or many twisted movies you would expect that type of ending. The director doesn't want to make it easy, especially when its time travel. There could still be consequences for violating nature like reserving time, that was the point of the ending. That is smarter to how simple and preditcbale Endgame used time travel.
You are right that DOFP messed up the continuity but as a stand alone movie that was supposed to be the ending to the prequels, it was a pure gold. Logan was a breathtaking send off to the main character of the series.
Actually as a stand alone movie it loses half it's value, see without the weight of the original X-Men trilogy without First Class most of the weighty scenes in DOFP have little to no meaning, Mystique's relationships with everyone is nothing without the 4 other films of backstory, the devestation of the Sentinel's means little to nothing without the connection to the original trilogy of movies, Stewart & McAvoy speaking doesn't hold 1/4 of the meaning of impact without the prior performances of both actors in the role previously, like Endgame & IW are mostly carried by the built up emotional cache from the prior films of the MCU so to does DOFP, if you look at it as an isolated film what makes it "great" is lost, it makes up for some of the faults of the movie sure, but it turns good into ok, where as the past movies connections and the lack of continuity or sense of this film due to that turn a great film into a good film.
Also the Mystique as Striker thing was half baked, made obvious by the fact they didn't know what to do with that and ignore it in the very next movie, they didn't even write in a scene in Apocalypse of Mystique recognising it was Logan on a rampage suggesting some history we never saw that's inconsequential to the actual plot of the film, but atleast that doesn't make the Mystique reveal in DOFP a completely wasted moment.
This is from obvious fans of MCU who are not dealing well with Endgame's messed up time travel story and the fall out from Fat Thor. First Class and DOFP go hand in hand, both would have lost its value without the other. DOFP was the movie that was supposed to be the last film, to tie up everything together. They are not to be separated as it looses its value.
The part of Stewart and Mcavoy speaking was sadly among the best parts in DOFP. I remember something almost similar to Endgame when Thor speaks to his mum, the only problem is, the Thor scene is downgraded because Thor's character has been destroyed by making him a full on joke, so it lacks the emotional gravity as Xavier , who was taken more seriously as a character living with trauma to Thor. The other characters meeting their past or future self or parents was actually more about having fun with their time travel heist not about real realistic adult issues of pain and regret like Xavier in DOFP meeting Xavier.
Infinity War does not have any real deep story focus for any character. The last we see of Xavier in first class was a paralyzed broken man, who started the film very differently, I can't remember much in infinity war since it was a full on action packed movie with little story or character development for anyone, The direct emotional weight is less from Infinity war to endgame to First Class to DOFP as one is very story absent.
DOFP was the next movie after X3 and Wolverine I already said DOFP works as a movie if you treat it as it should, one of the two endings of the series that started in X-Men 1. Its only stupid if I was to look at it from your wronged view. This didn't occur in the movie. The movie ends in what was supposed to be a brand new timeline where everyone is supposedly spared until we travel back to the past with the ''shock ending'', usually a good plot device for good time travel movies as good time travel stories are not supposed to be a 100% sure easy fixer. One of my biggest grip with Endgame, Even for a Marvel kids movie. Wasn't that all too easy?
Something new is hard, the movie was following the approach X-Men 1 took, in comparison to the present superhero movies of Endgame , Captain marvel, Dark Phoenix and Far from home, it is not overrated but a step above those constant badly done mcu movies that gets worse with every writing.
DOFP is regarded as a great film as it is one. The story mostly checks and the film's style shines. DOFP is what you also call a dressing down of the generic cliches of superhero movies. The superhero expected elements were an after thought, You can call DOFP a Vietnam post war civil right statement movie and it could work in that concept, that aspect of the movie works better than the obvious superhero aspects. I wish the superhero movies of 2019 did more dressing downs. I hope superhero movies can redeem itself when The Joker is out in October.
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