Post by mslo79 on Aug 24, 2019 16:09:25 GMT
PreachCaleb
Here is my main problem with that mindset... your basically giving it credit because it's "ahead of it's time", or broke new ground etc, more than it just still being a flat out interesting movie to watch to this day, which should be paramount. because if a movie is not interesting to watch for the viewer, it's ultimately nothing special. hence, it's overrated by critics.
so while it's fine to recognize a movie being ahead of it's time or breaking new ground etc... that does not automatically make a movie good on that alone as the movie itself needs to be interesting to watch and in this regard, it's clearly overrated if you base it's general praise by critics vs with what many more average people would say about it and in this regard I am confident it's overrated as there is simply no way the average person (like the masses a whole) likes that movie anywhere near the critics claim to in that it's one of the very top tier movies as go ask a random common person what their favorite movies are, I would not expect to see Citizen Kane mentioned all that often unless they are that type who lists it out of fear of being dissed if they don't kiss up to it. sure, I acknowledge that some people honestly do like it quite a bit but I would be surprised if most people praised it like critics do and are being honest. because when you look at all movies as a whole there are not that many that stand out from the pack and the ones that do are the true gems where as everything else is pretty much just-another-movie sort of thing.
biker1
I am primarily speaking of Citizen Kane is overrated and it's safe to say I am not the only person who thinks so. you surely can't say I am wrong here.
if you are going to dis me, at least give a decent reason reason WHY you do. it would make your argument against me more credible instead of talking out of your @$$ like you always do about me acting like I am the worst person ever when it comes to movies when it's pretty safe to say I am far from it, I just don't think the vast majority of movies are anything special is all and my ratings of them reflect this fact (hell, look at the masses, even based on this standard it's pretty safe to say the vast majority of movies are nothing special as the ones that are tend to become classics etc). because your dises on me are unfounded as you basically dis me because you don't agree with me is all. but if your going to dis me, at least make a plausible argument as to why. NOTE: ill bet he won't reply to this because he knows I am right and will just continue spouting off at the mouth about me anyways.
That's like saying the common person wouldn't praise Shakespeare.
Citizen Kane is as good as critics claim. It established and refined so many aspects of cinema people take for granted. It'd be like saying the Matrix's slow motion effects are overrated.
Citizen Kane is as good as critics claim. It established and refined so many aspects of cinema people take for granted. It'd be like saying the Matrix's slow motion effects are overrated.
Here is my main problem with that mindset... your basically giving it credit because it's "ahead of it's time", or broke new ground etc, more than it just still being a flat out interesting movie to watch to this day, which should be paramount. because if a movie is not interesting to watch for the viewer, it's ultimately nothing special. hence, it's overrated by critics.
so while it's fine to recognize a movie being ahead of it's time or breaking new ground etc... that does not automatically make a movie good on that alone as the movie itself needs to be interesting to watch and in this regard, it's clearly overrated if you base it's general praise by critics vs with what many more average people would say about it and in this regard I am confident it's overrated as there is simply no way the average person (like the masses a whole) likes that movie anywhere near the critics claim to in that it's one of the very top tier movies as go ask a random common person what their favorite movies are, I would not expect to see Citizen Kane mentioned all that often unless they are that type who lists it out of fear of being dissed if they don't kiss up to it. sure, I acknowledge that some people honestly do like it quite a bit but I would be surprised if most people praised it like critics do and are being honest. because when you look at all movies as a whole there are not that many that stand out from the pack and the ones that do are the true gems where as everything else is pretty much just-another-movie sort of thing.
biker1
and how many Orson Welles movies have you seen?
And stop speaking for other people - you are the last person in the world who has any comprehension of other people and their opinions - you are an ignoramus of the most disturbing kind, regardless of possessing the film taste of a mule. As far as I can tell, you don't even like movies!
And stop speaking for other people - you are the last person in the world who has any comprehension of other people and their opinions - you are an ignoramus of the most disturbing kind, regardless of possessing the film taste of a mule. As far as I can tell, you don't even like movies!
I am primarily speaking of Citizen Kane is overrated and it's safe to say I am not the only person who thinks so. you surely can't say I am wrong here.
if you are going to dis me, at least give a decent reason reason WHY you do. it would make your argument against me more credible instead of talking out of your @$$ like you always do about me acting like I am the worst person ever when it comes to movies when it's pretty safe to say I am far from it, I just don't think the vast majority of movies are anything special is all and my ratings of them reflect this fact (hell, look at the masses, even based on this standard it's pretty safe to say the vast majority of movies are nothing special as the ones that are tend to become classics etc). because your dises on me are unfounded as you basically dis me because you don't agree with me is all. but if your going to dis me, at least make a plausible argument as to why. NOTE: ill bet he won't reply to this because he knows I am right and will just continue spouting off at the mouth about me anyways.
also, if you think I honestly don't like movies your clearly wrong because here is some basic facts about myself... about 20% of everything I see (i.e. about 1 out of every 5 movies I have seen over the long term) gets a Thumbs Up because I ultimately judge movies based on whether I want to re-watch them or not. so with that in mind it will appear I dislike a lot of movies (since about 80% of everything I have seen ultimately gets a Thumbs Down). but... I will say the majority of what I have seen is at least decent enough not to have wasted my time. so looking at this very basic thing of 'wasting my time or not', I have a decent enough success rate. but like I say movies of any real worth are ones you want to re-watch here and there as the years pass as those that fail that basic test, are ultimately forgettable. my general rating system revolves around that which is well setup as when I rate a movie high it carries more weight than when someone who routinely hands out high scores hands out a 'high score' because after a certain point there must surely become a point for that person to where if they made a list of their favorites, alot of the movies they scored pretty high will ultimately fall short. so basically what I am saying is... some people hand out higher scores than what they truly feel about that movie as something that does not really stand out to that viewer, should not be given a fairly high score.
as for 'speaking for other people'... while I can't speak for everyone, I suspect my guesstimates on what the masses would say (as in their collective voice as a whole) are not far off 
(or put it this way... I doubt you could outright say that I am wrong) ; because when topics come up whether a movie is good or not, since movies are ultimately subjective, which means there is really no right or wrong answer, I tend to go with the mindset of whatever the majority of people say is sort of the 'correct' opinion in a way (like if you are going to use a measure to judge whether a movie is ultimately good or not, I tend to go with majority opinion among a wide range of people). so in this regard... I am confident Citizen Kane is not as well liked as critics make it seem as I give more weight to wide opinion than I would critics who mostly just kiss up to the same movies more by movies being 'ahead of their time' etc more than just picking what movies they personally enjoy watching the most. because if someone does not personally like a movie that much, then it's ultimately nothing special for that viewer.
(or put it this way... I doubt you could outright say that I am wrong) ; because when topics come up whether a movie is good or not, since movies are ultimately subjective, which means there is really no right or wrong answer, I tend to go with the mindset of whatever the majority of people say is sort of the 'correct' opinion in a way (like if you are going to use a measure to judge whether a movie is ultimately good or not, I tend to go with majority opinion among a wide range of people). so in this regard... I am confident Citizen Kane is not as well liked as critics make it seem as I give more weight to wide opinion than I would critics who mostly just kiss up to the same movies more by movies being 'ahead of their time' etc more than just picking what movies they personally enjoy watching the most. because if someone does not personally like a movie that much, then it's ultimately nothing special for that viewer.