Post by dazz on Nov 4, 2019 17:16:54 GMT
Oh yeah Batman is far less emotional and mission oriented, plus he is smarter than Oliver, but Oliver also seems far less a dick in pretty much every regard, even this one, so far this Oliver hasn't fucked the barely legal daughter of one of his oldest friends, or you know threatened to make one of his friends relive the worst emotional pain of the life just because they questioned him.
Frankly, I'm terribly bothered by the idea of Bruce and Barbra hooking up under certain circumstances; though her being "barely legal" wouldn't be one of them. I think a scenario where Barbara was distinctly an adult and the two had been working alongside each other closely for years would make it plausible. I've even considered this as a possible catalyst for Dick and Bruce's estrangement if it happened while Dick was still relatively young (17-19), clearly had an infatuation with Barbara that had not yet been returned; Bruce was oblivious to Dick having a crush on Barbara, Babs may or may not have perceived it herself, or at least had not openly acknowledged it. So when it happens and Dick finds out, maybe sees something without the other two knowing, it hurts Dick. Meanwhile, in the case of Bruce and Barbara, I'd see it as something that might happen between them in the heat of the moment, following a tense engagement with someone, but you know, not on the roof somewhere; after they've returned to the cave and take things upstairs. But then the next morning, in the harsh light of day, they evaluate how this should change their relationship, or if it should change their relationship; and it could be Barbara that decides she doesn't see her and Bruce dating, she doesn't want to date him. She might even bring up not wanting to hurt Dick, acknowledging his crush for the first time and cluing Bruce in on it; which of course makes him feel like a dick. They don't try to bury it and pretend like it never happened though; they accept that it did, that there was a moment where they gave into.....something.... call it the moment, call it passion or a need to share something intimate with another person. And maybe if they ever feel that need again, it could happen again, but neither are seeking a deeper emotional investment for the other. Unlike Bruce and Dick's relationship, Bruce isn't a surrogate father for Barbara, and she's not his ward or daughter. She may happen to be the actual daughter of a close friend of his, but that doesn't change the sort of relationship she and Bruce cultivate as masked crime fighters. Her father may be his friend - as close of friend as one can be, without revealing who you really are - but Bruce is her friend too; and I think it would make sense for Bruce to eventually see her in that light, as an adult and as a peer.
This is a concept about Batman that I've never cared for, and always ends up being the defining trait when depicting him in movies or any other form of adaptation; and has even seeped into the comics in recent year (okay, the last decade or two) and arguably that just shouldn't be the case. A Batman who is not, to some degree, well adjusted, who just beats up on people and uses those closest to him as nothing more than cannon-fodder, is not a hero; he's the sort of person who deserves to be in Arkham alongside all of the other dangerous psychopaths.
It drove me crazy watching Titans every time Dick groused about Bruce just using him or Jason (or Jason's comment about Bruce making the Robin costume bright and colorful to intentionally draw the bad guy's fire, so Batman can get the upper hand.)
In the Batman Beyond tie in comics, which I think aren't full on cannon but are somewhat, like Damien was introduced into them at one point and/or Terry has been written into the main continuity in some way iirc, but in that apparently yeah they hook up, whilst she is with Dick, she gets pregnant by Bruce, he promises not to tell Dick then goes right ahead and tells him, they fight and at the same time Barbra gets hurt stopping a mugger and miscarries, this whole event is what split Dick off from Bruce in that continuity.
As for Ollie yeah he's killed but I don't think that's a bad thing, cops kill people, so do soldiers, it's rarely Oliver's go to move, him doing so actually is a major issue for him also, unlike Bruce who near gleefully cripples criminals of any status with no remorse, and Batman used to kill people quite horribly also, didn't he basically lynch Joker in one of the originals comics?
As for this "modern" version of Batman it's going on 35 years now, it is who he is, but whilst the idea he could be so well trained and still so damaged seems odd it's no odder than him being so well trained, it takes an estimated 10,000 hours to master any 1 skill, that's over 1 year and 4 months of non stop mastery, if you account for 4 hours a day rest and assuming you never take a day off due to being hurt or sick or whatever, so even if he didn't need to waste time traveling even if Bruce began training at 18 and didn't return to Gotham until 35 he could "master" only like 12 skills let alone the dozens of forms of martial arts, breathing techniques, languages, sciences, historical and cultural knowledge from little known regions, I mean how quickly does tech advance these days? even if Bruce was a world class techy when he left school after a decade he'd be so outdated it's beyond ridiculous.
I mean all the non-powered superheroes are ridiculous though, Ollie got stranded on an island and learned to use a bow so he decides to dress like robin hood? Batman is well Batman but he also thinks it's fine to throw pre-teen kids into a life of violence over and over even after it gets one of them killed? Hawkeye & Black Widow are trained spies, archer and assassin and they team up with a god, a green rage monster, a super soldier and a billionaire with a suit of armour more deadly and durable than a dozen fighter jets...this shit is insane, but god don't yah just love it?