Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 9:19:26 GMT
Ok Ive finally read this essay on Batman lol, you both have good points. When I first saw the exchanges Im like, time-out, fuck this, wont be a while till I have the motivation to read all of this. Would rather read a comic and I did haha.
Anyway, even though the reasons you mentioned are legitimate. It is still kinda weird that you would be romantically involved with a good friend's daughter. Especially for someone like Bruce Wayne (he could have literally anyone) or Batman (Talia and Selina). Batgirl would also see Batman as an older, senior role model, a second father figure (maybe an uncle in a way) and thirdly as her boss when it comes down to it. It is just out of character for Batman to engage with Babs in that way, not only out of respect for Gordon but his strictness with himself in general and the fact he too in exchange would see her as kind of a daughter and seen her grow up and mature. It would also be kind of taking advantage of her and a little incestuous which is why the writers almost never went there.
Well as for Batman being dark, it kinda makes sense. Some of his villains are seriously messed up. Szaz, Professor Pyg, Scarecrow and Joker. Who knows? Even though he is a genius and heavily disciplined, it still would take a toll, probably has some level of PTSD and his body and mind shot so often from the fight and flight response pumping that Adrenalin. This may be why he hasnt come to terms with his parents' deaths and never be a fully-functioning 'normal' person. Another thing is, that Batman is his identity, he just loves being Batman. Guy is a workaholic and when you're like that, other areas of your psychological and social health will suffer.
You guys forget that he's also a genius, maybe even on Lex's level if not better. So it doesnt take him long to master things and also because comic book. Just look in real-life what Elon Musk has achieved, it is truly incredible. Or look at the polymath Leonardo DaVinci. Both Lex and Bruce, thats what they are, swift-learning polymaths. It's just that Bats chose to pursue anything related to crime-fighting, detection, investigation and security etc There's a reason he is called the detective by Ra's al ghul and the greatest detective in the world in general.
In saying that, Bats doesnt have to be really grizzly but imo he's cooler that way and it makes sense with the villains he goes up against. Apparently Affleck's Batman would have explored his psyche and that it is almost crazy to go to such extremes.
Yeah as for Batman leaving Gotham for a better life was also touched on in Nolan's trilogy. Alfred wished he'd never returned to Gotham and hoped that he had moved on as he knew how much pain is around in Gotham for Bruce.
In regards to the "kill only if it's the last resort", yes I agree with that but sometimes you have to weigh the future into account. What if it's one of those villains that is just too dangerous to be kept alive because theyll just escape time and time again and keep coming after you or your loved ones or try and destroy the world over and over or mass casualties? Would that make a difference? Or should they all be sent to the farm to be lobotomised? Can you trust anyone of authority in Gotham or these very corrupt worlds?
Yeah the Titans do sometimes go over-the-top but you can understand the reasons behind them but does it make it right? No, no it doesnt. Ollie was basically a straight-up serial killer in Arrow for a long time