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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 27, 2019 4:15:51 GMT

Dec 25, 2019 10:35:00 GMT moviebuffbrad said:

Dec 24, 2019 13:17:09 GMT Waxer-n-boil said:

The problem with your premise with Kylo is the same problem Abrams had trying to undo elements of TLJ and then tell a complete story in TROS. How are you going to cram a story arc of Kylo becoming a credible threat to Rey into one movie? Something that took 3 movies in the other examples you gave. Everyone knows that the good guys are going to win the third act of a trilogy. But seeing the same arch rival get thumped over and over and over again makes something that has built in anticlimactic, so much more anticlimactic.

Some fans were already stirring this on forums. “Great! We get to see Kylo get his @$$ kicked again by Rey?!? Yawn.” A significant number of fans were already resigned to seeing Kylo this way. So to try to completely convince them that Kylo is finally a real threat but is going to lose in the end anyway, is a near impossible task to pull off in one movie.

EDIT: In defense of your idea of Kylo still being the big-bad in TROS; I’m sure the more passionate Kylo fans would’ve want to see this attempted. And I’m sure a lot of Rey fans would’ve liked it. But that kind of thing (obliterating your nemesis over and over again) only works if the audience is so in love with the protagonist that they are entertained by ANY situation you put them in in a story. Say what you will about Lucas and his writing, but he didn’t rely on the risk of that when he wrote his protagonists. That’s why he always gave them flaws. And he always pitted them against threats they could and did lose to.

Well, speaking of Abrams and his decisions in TRoS, isn't there some plot with Palpatine channeling all the Sith? Couldn't they just do that with Kylo? And instead of Sith GPS satellites, maybe he gets ahold of one of those Sith amulets from the EU or something. Get those Knights of Ren by his side and set it some time after TLJ.

YES! Something like that actually could work! It condenses the time needed to develop Kylo into a threat. It could fit the mythos.

Make it like a Rocky movie where Kylo kicks her ass in the first act, and the rest of the movie is her trying to get her groove back and learning to channel all the Jedi.

And now you just touched on the one possible drawback. Having Rey lose her mojo for most of the movie. Some Rey fans would grab ahold of the same complaints that Luke fans did in TLJ. “They really diminished her character! That’s not the Rey I fell in love with!” Etc. Additionally, Abrams would be challenged to get a script like that approved. I can already see Iger and Kay Kay’s faces puckering at the thought of Rey not apexing through the movie until “the third act”.

Alternatively, hire a better writer than me and the BvS guy.

If only. The writing, writing, ITS ALWAYS BEEN THE WRITING that’s been the biggest problem and weakness of this trilogy.

What I would have liked, given the yin/yang themes of TLJ, is that they cancel each other out and both die. Rey still wins again as expected, but sacrifices herself in the process so it's not a clean victory.

An ending like that would be something to geek out on for mythos buffs. But they were focused on having Rey “ride off into the sunset, victorious”.