'Why does God allow suffering?'

'Why does God allow suffering?' Dec 30, 2019 11:17:54 GMT Toasted Cheese likes this

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Post by OldSamVimes on Dec 30, 2019 11:17:54 GMT

Dec 29, 2019 5:14:46 GMT Eva Yojimbo said:

Dec 28, 2019 17:24:07 GMT OldSamVimes said:

The analogy was that kids believe that Santa is real in the same way unconscious people believe this Universe is 'real'.

Unconscious people believe whatever dreams their brains conjure. Again, if you don't believe the universe/pain/suffering is real, then I'd be more than happy to come over and test that theory by taking a hammer to your fingers. Maybe after a smack or two you'll realize that metaphysical nonsense like "the universe isn't real, man!" is a fun thought to ponder when high, but not such a good thought to live by when you're actually conscious.

When I say 'unconscious' I don't mean physically unconscious, I mean spiritually unconscious.

If you have all your basic needs met (food, shelter, clothing), and you're not more or less in a state of perpetual awe at the mystery of existence itself, you're unconscious. If you have no sense of wonder anymore, and the Universe ceases to be a source of mystery and magic, you're unconscious.

Not believing everything is 'real' doesn't mean I'm not susceptible to feeling nerve impulses while I'm trapped in this biological organism. That said, my dentist has at least two clients that decline all freezing when getting painful dental procedures done. He says they meditate a lot and one is a Buddhist.

Maybe they'd let you go hit them in the face with a hammer?

Feeling physical pain doesn't necessitate the belief that 'the suffering is indeed real'. You feel pain in a dream when you're getting hurt, the pain feels real and the dream environment can feel as real as this one.. but then you wake up. If you're not the body, then any pains that happen to the body are temporary and do not happen to you.