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Post by judgejosephdredd on May 1, 2020 1:35:54 GMT
Thanks for the laugh, Empire was very well liked when it was released by both critics and audiences and it actually skyrocketed interest instead of slowing it down. And oh please, the people who saw the original trilogy in theatres went on to have kids of their own who they introduced the lore to with episodes 4 to 6. And NOW those very kids are adults too with children of their own, and guess how most of them introduce the Star Wars mythos to their kids? Showing episodes 4, 5, and 6, whatever follows be it the prequel trilogy, the cartoons, the comic books, or the novels and video games come after in whatever order but statistically most start with the original trilogy. No serious Star Wars fan is going to have their kid be introduced to Luke Skywalker as a cranky old hermit who quit and abandoned their friends and family, no, they'll show the iconic version as introduced and developed from A New Hope to Return of the Jedi. And calling Luke in the original trilogy as a "flawless boy scout" really? Are you not familiar with the hero's journey? How much of a fan of the property are you? Or are you more of a Rian Johnson fan? NOBODY has an issue with diverse casts, the problem with the new trilogy is most of the characters are boring, and uninteresting, and seem like machines that give plot exposition. I'm pretty sure anyone, especially a newbie, who sees The Force Awakens and then watches The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker is going to be let down by the twists revolving Snoke and find Rey's parentage as a very forced addition, given Palpatine's end in Return. The sequel trilogy is just lacks the heart, attention to detail, and passion that was there at first, in 20 years most will still hold the original trilogy as the best while the prequels and sequels will probably be taking second or third place. Johnson is better left with quirky indie flicks. You don't seem to be laughing much with that essay, amigo. Of course, you spent half of it arguing a non-point. No shit most people start with the OT. No one said otherwise. However, with TLJ sitting right next to it, future generations aren't gonna have as much time to build up a distorted image of a guy who ended the trilogy chopping off his dad's hand in a fit of rage. Oh yes, I'm familiar with Luke. I'm also familiar with the Jedi, a dogmatic cult that fell largely through hubris. Rian Johnson was also familiar with these things and built upon them. What a quirky indie hack. Shoulda taken that Joseph Campbell 98 course with you. And you can find a lot of articles about how divisive Empire was when it came out. There's also common sense. RotJ spent a lot of time being lighter and more like the first film not for nothing. Future generations are going to have mixed feelings towards The Last Jedi regardless if its ten years down the road, twenty, or thirty. A person does not need to have been around when the original trilogy was produced and released or have to be a fan of half a lifetime to notice that Luke Skywalker as portrayed in The Last Jedi is a disappointment after viewing Episodes 4 to 6. Not only that, but the storytelling in the movie is pretty sloppy when you get to the nitty and gritty of it and as a second chapter of a three part story it just doesn't work the way it should. You're familiar with Luke? Then why have you gotten his character twice wrong in this discussion? And of the Jedi? Except Johnson didn't build upon anything, he was pretty much saying to the audience "there is no such thing as being aspirational, it is worthless to idolize anyone" basically. The divisiveness you speak of regarding Empire I'm afraid is being blown out of proportion by you and several of the movie's defenders. The critics who were being most, well, critical AT THE TIME thought it lacked the fun and humor of its predecessor, but still RECOMMENDED THE FILM and awarded it with GOOD ratings. They did not think it betrayed the characters or the story set forth. The movie going audience ate it up and it still kept the popularity of the IP going strong. Return of the Jedi was definitely trying to bring in the fun of A New Hope but trying to say the situation was similar with The Last Jedi to The Rise of Skywalker is just silly - because boy did they try to do more than "bring the fun back" with that attempt at an apology note. I don't recall labeling Johnson as a hack, I happen to like most of his work but based on The Last Jedi and what's its done to the property it would be for the best if he sticks to much smaller, quirky, independent fare where he can project as much of his style without anyone raising an eyebrow.
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