Is your child being lured into witchcraft?

Is your child being lured into witchcraft? Aug 9, 2020 23:54:02 GMT

Quote

Post by Arlon10 on Aug 9, 2020 23:54:02 GMT

Aug 9, 2020 18:53:36 GMT FilmFlaneur said:

Aug 9, 2020 18:43:00 GMT Arlon10 said:

   Your obvious severe lack of sophistication means we will probably see your complaints ad infinitum.

   I realize how difficult it is for you, but try to understand that if you cannot read the Bible because you cannot take it literally, you cannot read the opinions of people on the Bible since they are similarly artful.

   I have showed you several times how surveys might find whatever they like by how they are worded.

You yourself have used Pew in rare moments of substantiation my friend, lol. And I am only reporting on what so many of the religious say about themselves and what they believe when asked. I realise you think them stupid (as you do anyone who does not agree with you), but there it is anyway. And some of the Bible is to be taken literally, and is taken so by many. Sorry about that.

   I am going to try to explain the "ad hominem" thing yet another way. Suppose there is a child who is a discipline problem in elementary school. He does not understand the lesson topic and argues with the teacher. He makes rules for the teacher to follow that are not really rules. Obviously the teacher has no choice but to have the child removed from the class until his behavior improves. If he claims that an "ad hominem" is being used against him by the teacher and the teacher needs to provide what the child considers evidence of anything there really isn't anything the teacher can do about that. The child is the problem because he is flawed.

   It can be illogical to claim that other people are also wrong because the child is. It is possible the others do not have all the same beliefs the discipline problem has and arrived at their positions by other means. That would be one time an ad hominem is illogical. It can be inexpedient to pursue "reasoning" which is not theirs. It is logical however to point out to the child that his methods are flawed and that he must be removed from the class. It is also very expedient and just.

   You are that discipline problem. There is no "logical" solution that you will accept despite your protests that there is. The bottom line is that you are the problem. There is no other logical solution to the problem than to throw you out of the class.

   Speaking of "witches" using poisons elsewhere in this thread, it appears you got some sort of poison along the way. Did you perhaps cross up a group of whatever at one time?

   I do understand better than you do that noting a person's problems is socially unacceptable in quite many circumstances. That is totally different from "illogical" applications of one person's problems to other people who might appear to have the same interests. Unless the person with the problem is pressing it on you then you do not need to address it. However if he takes a position in the class that is beyond his ability, then it is necessary to remove him, whatever he might think about that.

   You are obviously confused by the "rules" because of your crippled simplicity. There are times when an ad hominem is illogical and times when it is most logical. There are times when an ad populum is just and times when it is not. So it is with most types of arguments. That's why experienced debaters do not generally invoke "rules" to win any points. The product of inferior public schools tries to win arguments by making "rules" that give them the win despite how obviously they are losing (tornado-junkyard e.g.). They try hopelessly to maintain a list of rules on the internet. Experienced debaters rather address the special type of argument that applies to the circumstances.

   I analyze surveys to arrive at whatever conclusions if any can be drawn. Not all surveys are conducted well and some are obviously designed to mislead.