Post by Isapop on Aug 15, 2020 19:36:58 GMT
The topic, which you opened, is NOT whether the Bible is true (or art or music). The topic is whether the Bible CLAIMS to be true. You opened it with your assertion, "Even the Bible doesn't say it's "true."
My rebuttal was: 2 Timothy 3:16 - "All Scripture is God-breathed", or (depending on translation), "All Scripture is inspired of God". And I put it to you to explain, if you could, how that wouldn't be an instance of the Bible CLAIMING to be true.
There is no way to be confused about the topic.
But, instead of simply admitting your error, you try to escape with an obvious attempt to change the topic.
You had two chances to answer the question. And twice you evaded. It's enough. QED, the Bible indeed says it's true.
(As an aside, I wonder if you were so loathe admit you're wrong because it showed you were ignorant of what is, according to Bible Study Tools, not some obscure and little known scripture, but rather what is among the Most Read Bible Verses.)
www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/the-25-most-read-bible-verses/
The thing about "truth" is that it makes no difference whether it's "true" until you know what it means. If you failed calculus and are asked whether a certain calculation is "true" you really can't say till you know what it means. The Bible might well be "true" but there are obviously some people who failed calculus and other sciences and arts who still don't know what it means. Until anyone knows what it means, what possible difference could it make if you think its "true"?
Perhaps you would like to expand your own thoughts first. How for example did you get from "God-breathed" to "true"?
So, you wanna know, "Gee, just because scripture is "God-breathed", why should we think it would necessarily be claiming to be true?"
First, my own thoughts. The connection between "God-breathed" and "true" can be assumed by default. If any "God-breathed" scripture is untrue, then God has mishandled inspiration; and God, by any religion's teaching, could not or would not do that. Therefore, the burden of proof is not on the one who accepts this connection, but rather on anyone who suggest it's not there.
For further arguments regarding where the Bible (with other scriptures in addition to that one) CLAIMS that it is true, there are plenty of articles on line by the people who have made the Bible their field of study. If you need more info on how the Bible says it's true, just look them up.
Or, if you want to save yourself the trouble, just jettison your unschooled notion that the Bible doesn't say it's true.