A Transgender Atheist Army For The Antichrist

A Transgender Atheist Army For The Antichrist Nov 30, 2020 0:12:49 GMT

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Post by gw on Nov 30, 2020 0:12:49 GMT

Nov 29, 2020 22:14:25 GMT moviemouth said:

Nov 29, 2020 0:11:05 GMT gw said:

Our choices are made purposeful through the imperfections of our reality where many decisions have consequences where each choice is less than ideal. If our choices had no imperfect consequences then why make them at all? You could just decide everything through the flip of a coin and there would be no need to weigh pros and cons in a decision making process.

Start there.

The world is what it is and we can only act according to the facts of reality. You were talking about "other worlds" or something and that is where I get lost.

I would argue that many of our "choices" aren't actually choices, but are pre-determined.

My view is that you are trying to make this sound more deep than it actually is.

It's a little bit complicated. Freedom of choice is real in a way because you can clearly steer yourself to do something new even if it is all predetermined. There are, of course, choices that we make without deliberating very much but I'm thinking more of the ones where we do. I didn't mean to make it sound deep but I have a very formal way of talking. My idea is basically the philosophical equivalent of a goldilocks zone. The first thing I meant was that if it were necessary to always have a perfect choice then our reality wouldn't exist. The reason I was referring to the 'material' reality and not the 'social' one is that all of our social predicaments are a reflection of the underlying material reality.

If you want to see where I'm coming from when I say that if it weren't for imperfect choices then our reality wouldn't exist, read Stanislaw Lem's Golem XIV story. Our whole human and animal existence is a chemical response to the overabundance of oxygen created as waste by photosynthesizing bacteria. if we lived in a more just ecosystem we would get our energy from the sun and our bodies would be made from minerals gotten directly from the soil. Our whole existence is a result of life evolving to adapt to the limitations set by previous life on Earth which evolved without the intellect to shape the earth's ecosystem on the whole . I don't know if there is another actual reality where things work out easier than ours but I need to make a comparison to something. All I wanted to say is that IF there is a more orderly existence without tough choices like between preserving wildlife's habitat or mining metals from a mountain, that we would either be forced to choose only an ideal choice or we would choose between equally fine choices such as picking between life on one of two different identical star systems which have different geographies but both support life and no matter which place you chose to live you'd be happy all the time and live an equally long time. Can I say for certain that such a thing is somehow 'wrong'? No, only that from a perspective of choice that it seems rather boring because there's either a right way to do something and thus an ideal state of being that one can only disobey or there's no significant choices to be made at all and thus that our reality being so non-ideal makes it more appealing to live in in a certain dis-attached ironic way because it gives our life a character that only imperfection can.

There was something else I wanted to say but it slipped my mind and this seems to cover it about as well as I can manage. When I said "many possible worlds to live in" take it like this: There would only be a universe where everything worked out fine and we wouldn't exist, and just about everything we know wouldn't either.