Post by moviemouth on Nov 30, 2020 1:13:36 GMT
Nov 30, 2020 0:12:49 GMT gw said:
I would argue that many of our "choices" aren't actually choices, but are pre-determined.
My view is that you are trying to make this sound more deep than it actually is.
If you want to see where I'm coming from when I say that if it weren't for imperfect choices then our reality wouldn't exist, read Stanislaw Lem's Golem XIV story. Our whole human and animal existence is a chemical response to the overabundance of oxygen created as waste by photosynthesizing bacteria. if we lived in a more just ecosystem we would get our energy from the sun and our bodies would be made from minerals gotten directly from the soil. Our whole existence is a result of life evolving to adapt to the limitations set by previous life on Earth which evolved without the intellect to shape the earth's ecosystem on the whole . I don't know if there is another actual reality where things work out easier than ours but I need to make a comparison to something. All I wanted to say is that IF there is a more orderly existence without tough choices like between preserving wildlife's habitat or mining metals from a mountain, that we would either be forced to choose only an ideal choice or we would choose between equally fine choices such as picking between life on one of two different identical star systems which have different geographies but both support life and no matter which place you chose to live you'd be happy all the time and live an equally long time. Can I say for certain that such a thing is somehow 'wrong'? No, only that from a perspective of choice that it seems rather boring because there's either a right way to do something and thus an ideal state of being that one can only disobey or there's no significant choices to be made at all and thus that our reality being so non-ideal makes it more appealing to live in in a certain dis-attached ironic way because it gives our life a character that only imperfection can.
There was something else I wanted to say but it slipped my mind and this seems to cover it about as well as I can manage. When I said "many possible worlds to live in" take it like this: There would only be a universe where everything worked out fine and we wouldn't exist, and just about everything we know wouldn't either.
Okay, I read it over again.
Is all you are saying is that the way reality is in this universe makes it more interesting than if we lived in a non-existent "perfect" world? And that if the world had came about in a different way, then this reality wouldn't exist? I would agree with that obviously.
What would a perfect world even be? If we lived in this imaginary world wouldn't even know it was boring or that we were missing anything? It might be impossible that a world like that could even exist.
Am I glad we don't live in a world like that? Yes, but only because it sounds very boring from the perception of someone living in a non-perfect world.
If this is what you are talking about then you wrote it out way more complicated than it needed to be.

