Post by FilmFlaneur on Nov 30, 2020 17:32:50 GMT
/ˈdʒɛndə/
noun
1. either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.
sex
/sɛks/
... 2. either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.
"adults of both sexes"
2) My words mean what I tell you they mean,
I am pleased that here you echo my oft-repeated assertion that we ought take what religious people say at face value. That of course does not mean they are right.
if you ... could think clearly and precisely you would use words the way I do.
Given the number of times I have had cause to correct you on such matters, this is ironic.
I explained why using "cultural" determinants of gender is error prone. You do that a lot.
Please quote where I have done this, or indeed why we should take you as a guide to the 'right' cultural determinants. Evasion will be noted.
You depend on definitions that have no precise or standard criteria.
I simply go by what one can find easily in the dictionary as standard definitions - in this case, distinguishing between related terms. Your criteria often appears to depend on whether such accord with your prejudices. In the case of 'gender' against 'sex', the former is more often used in reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. Fact. I hope that helps but if not, as newly-appointed expert on sex and gender, feel to argue with the dictionary over these standard criteria, and win again.
We noticed this before with your concepts of "gnostic and agnostic."
Where you said "... agnosticism, which is a lack of belief" even though it is more specifically the view that the existence of God is unknown or unknowable? Still stings, huh? Another time when a standard dictionary definition proved inconvenient.
Using a biological determinant is far less error prone, has far more wide agreement, and is thus more useful. That is my point here.
Thank you for your opinion, but you specifically referred to "basing a definition of gender on biology" whereas I have shown that it is sex that is the more common biological determinant rather than gender - which is my point here.
Since no dictionary listing is based on anything but usage and sometimes usage is muddled, you may not use a dictionary to argue any facts in question.
Don't tell me what I can do, although I fully agree usage is muddled as you say, just as the WHO (below) also recognises. This since, well, you have lately demonstrated it lol. You appeared to blur, or muddle, an essential and useful difference between the different concepts of sex and gender, presumably for reasons of your usual rhetoric. Simple as that. If you deny this muddlement, please make it clear. As usual, evasion will be noted here as well.
For everyone else here, is the case in a nutshell, from the World Health Organisation:
'Gender' describes those characteristics of women and men that are largely socially created, while 'sex' encompasses those that are biologically determined. However, these terms are often mistakenly used interchangeably in scientific literature, health policy, and legislation.
www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/#:~:text=(1)%20'Gender'%20describes,%2C%20health%20policy%2C%20and%20legislation.
www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/#:~:text=(1)%20'Gender'%20describes,%2C%20health%20policy%2C%20and%20legislation.