Cleveland Indians to change name

Dec 14, 2020 2:36:27 GMT @smurfbate said:

Dec 14, 2020 2:15:04 GMT FrankSobotka1514 said:

It’s not for me to say if Indian-based nicknames are offensive or not as I’m not of Native American descent. But it doesn’t seem 100% ok either. Outside of Notre Dame and the Montreal Canadiens, is there another big 4 team named after a group of people like that?

Thats how I feel too. I dont understand it as offensive but I may just be ignorant to it. If that ethnicity finds it offensive than that is enough for me to think it should be changed. I don't view Chiefs or Braves offensive either but if those names are viewed as offensive by all means change them. As a Braves fan I won't complain if they change it unless its to something stupid.

In terms of Notre Dame, I'm Irish and I love the Fighting Irish name.

An honest and reasonable reply to this topic.  The difference is we didn't slaughter the Irish and take their lands.  Significant context to the story.  I imagine a protestant football team in Belfast calling themselves the Fighting Irish wouldn't be well received in the old country to the south.  If we start rounding up Irish in the streets and shipping them off to reservations, slaughtering non-combatants, reneging on treaties and all but erasing their culture from the face of the Earth, the Irish in America might have a problem with Notre Dame.      

Most of the people complaining about this are the same people who didn't have a problem with the Redskins name, either.  The Washington N-words wouldn't have been allowed, but Redskins, what's the big deal?  Keeping with that logic, 'Indians' isn't as bad as Redskins, fair enough.  It's still awkward.  Would you call the team the Cleveland Black Guys?  The Cleveland Chinese?  Why are First Peoples/Indians/Native Americans/whatever term you want to use, singled out by race and revered like some kind of mythical beast?  It's offensive on a base level, and the obliviousness of some people pretty much says it all.  "It's never been a problem before now."  Yeah, and blacks used to be kept as slaves and women didn't get the vote nationally until 1920.  It's called progress, and all it takes is enough people looking at it and realizing, "Wow, this is fucked up."