"I don't like Sand" demystified

"I don't like Sand" demystified May 31, 2017 13:02:28 GMT

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Post by sostie on May 31, 2017 13:02:28 GMT

May 31, 2017 12:19:34 GMT Waxer-n-boil said:

May 30, 2017 22:38:56 GMT sostie said:

I'm sorry, but if by ideas man you mean in respect of the story etc (as opposed to the technology that got it there) I don't see it myself. His films are full of scenes and ideas from other films and established myths. At times he does no more than let's do a bar scene...with aliens and robots, let's do gladiatorial scene...with aliens and robots, lets do a chariot race...with aliens and robots etc etc.

And if there is all this well thought out subtext and layering to his dialogue and plot then he has been far from successful seeing how so many consider the films badly written. If you have the "mind for it" you can project a deeper level of subtext and layering to almost any film than was intended. I've read books doing the same for The Thing, worked on a website that dedicated pages and pages of it to the Die Hard, Alien and Predator franchises (all starting out as a joke and ending up getting really deep).

I guess when the cave scene happened with Luke in TESB, you thought that the beheaded Vader whose mask exploded to show Luke's face meant that Luke had a twin brother who was another Vader. He was going to kill his twin brother Vader in the future, and there were actually 2 Darth Vaders.

No, because it was pretty obvious what was being said/shown. And if it wasn't obvious instantly, you would think about what it meant.

The interpretation of the "sand" line...did you work out what you thought he was trying to say in the moment? Was it sometime after? I'm guessing it was sometime after, and it wasn't because you (or whoever concluded he was trying say something much deeper) thought "aah, now there must be some deeper meaning here" but more of a case of "surely he couldn't have written something that bad, let's see if I can find something there to defend him" sometime after the fact. As I said, you'll find a deeper meaning, as you could in many films, in many lines, but was it intended? I doubt it.

Any metaphor or deeper meaning, whether intended or not, can't really be concluded as you watch the film...the line stands out, on it's own, and it's bad. As a piece of dialogue it's a fail. As a metaphor/subtext/whatever...it's a fail. It is nothing more than a some dialogue to propel the story. Like the majority of his writing.