Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 1, 2017 0:33:33 GMT
Martha and Thor aren't just as stupid though. I don't really have any idea why you think those are remotely comparable. There's frankly nothing wrong at all with Thor being humbled and meeting a girl over the course of a few days. The Martha thing is just a pure case of thought it was neato and didn't think it through.
Regarding Ant Man, and I'm actually really glad you brought this up, I'm not concerned with the real world physics of it. The only point that really matters is that it's presented consistently, meaning every time he's on somebody's shoulder or arrow he doesn't weigh it down, Yellow Jacket doesn't rip the bug zapper down because he's 300 lbs, etc. He only exhibits power when he punches basically, but if you can think of a time this was inconsistent I'd be curious.
- While ant-sized, Ant-Man falls from the edge of bathtub onto a tile floor, cracking the tile as though with the weight of a full sized human.
- He falls from a rooftop onto a car, denting the roof.
- He punches full sized humans, and they respond as though hit by a full-sized punch.
- He's able to judo-flip full sized humans
- Another character, while tiny, is hit by a speeding toy train. The train is knocked aside as though it hit a full sized human.
And then there are times when their mass seems implied to be as light as their tiny size:
- Ant-Man is constantly running and climbing around on surfaces (air vents, ant tunnels, etc.) that couldn't possibly support the weight of a 200 lb man on a footprint the size of an ant.
- The toy train, when expanded to the size of a real train, is heavy enough to rip through a wall and crush a police car.
- Hank Pym carries a shrunken tank in his pocket on a keychain. It obviously doesn't weigh as much as a tank, but it does when expanded to full size.
- Another character, while tiny, gets swatted with a (normal sized) table tennis paddle, and goes flying like an insect.
- a flying ant is able to support Antman riding on it
- Antman riding on Hawkeye's arrow without affecting trajectory
And of course there's the fact that they specifically mention in the movie that his mass remains the same, and then is contradicted by the examples I stated above.
1. Mass - the amount of matter an object contains
2. Weight - the measure of the force of gravity extended on an object
3. Rigidity ...
4. Inertia ...
And so on.
The best place to start in a discussion like this is how does the McGuffin itself work? (i.e., Pymm Particles). PP's basically allow the user to bypass Galileo's square-cube law entirely. Once that is out of the window, Ant-Man can be any combination of densities, sizes and weights. Essentially the particle is a liscense to throw out known physics altogether.
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