Which MCU villain would make a better Captain America...

Which MCU villain would make a better Captain America... Apr 14, 2021 17:17:34 GMT ReyKahuka likes this

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Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 14, 2021 17:17:34 GMT

Apr 14, 2021 16:51:52 GMT ReyKahuka said:

Apr 14, 2021 16:30:10 GMT Lord Death Man said:

This is a great debate, and it's what makes the show interesting.

Walker has disregarded the rules of engagement and committed a war crime.

He should have been given some iteration of the serum on day one. There was no way he could have been expected to cope with enhanced fighters in the battlespace without resorting to some extraordinary means. If that meant taking an experimental PED in the field, then so be it. Had he not murdered an individual in retreat shortly afterward, he would have likely been lauded for his quick thinking and adaptability by his commanders. You can't engage a superior enemy with one hand tied behind your back.

I'm not condoning what he did but, escalation of some kind was inevitable.

And let's not forget that Bucky and Sam are wholly off-the-books and unauthorized actors with no authority or jurisdiction to apprehend the Flag Smashers (let alone free an enemy agent from prison). I'm sympathetic to John Walker's cause to a certain extent, and I'd be lying if I said that I thought Bucky and Sam were entirely blameless in all of this.

Moral ambiguity abounds in this show. Walker mentions to Lamar (in not so many words) that the end justifies the means, this is exactly what Bucky told Ayo about Zemo. They broke a known terrorist out of prison to aid them in catching another one, but they frown on Walker's methods? The guy Walker killed we're supposed to have sympathy for because "It wasn't me!", but he previously told Karli he agreed with her methods-- which included killing people in that building she bombed, most of whom had nothing to do with whatever discriminatory practices the GRC as an entity may be intentionally or unintentionally guilty of.

As I said off the top in this topic, the audience loves Zemo and hates Walker, despite Zemo being far more morally corrupt than Walker. I've already mentioned Walker's entitlement, how about the Dora Milaje showing up and saying they have jurisdiction wherever they go? Or as you pointed out, how are Sam and Bucky even allowed to do this off the books under the Sokovia accords? Zemo complains that all superheroes are fascists, while in the same breath separating them from 'real people.' Zemo, who has made it his mission to decide who the 'real people' are, and thus who deserves to live or die, is talking about the other guys being fascists.

That's the stuff that makes this show so good. There's so much gray area to explore with every aspect of the story.

Yes, everyone is operating in a gray zone. The Dora is essentially Wakandan Special Forces, and despite Ayo's posturing, she's on a sanctioned mission from her King. It's T'Challa who feels he doesn't have to observe borders when apprehending a fugitive from Wakandan justice. I wonder why they waited until Zemo was out of prison. Maybe the fact that he was incarcerated was good enough for them.

Ayo's treatment of Bucky hurt me more than it probably hurt him. I understand building a fail-safe into their technology but exploiting it in the field to the detriment of an ally - in mixed company - was too cold. It was cool to see the girls take all of the boy's toys, though.

Zemo, fascist that he is, is likely the only party with a pure motive and clear ideology.