Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jun 3, 2017 1:39:52 GMT
THX1138 I have seen. It's one of those movies that some things will go over your head or you'll choose to let it go over your head if you instantly don't like it. Or you will like this film and appreciate it's not so obvious nuances. There are metaphorical undertones. It's definitely the kind of movie that is cult follower material and is one of the more notable cult classics. I liked it. It has my respect as a cult classic. Seeing it now in 2017 might take some predisposed consideration, remembering when this movie was made and that it is dated.
- I haven't seen Redtails but I remained intrigued by it. I'm reserving developing any preconceived notions about it until I do.
- Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls? I didn't see what was so bad about that movie by some people's opinion. Yeah, it wasn't quite as good as the first few Indy Jones movies but... For me it got a little too corny and CGI in a few spots but other than that not a bad movie. I'm not sure what ideas of Lucas you're referring to.
-- Now to speak of your criticism of the romance in the prequels. I'd agree that the chemistry wasn't as good as Han and Leia. The romantic dialogue was inconsistent for me but not universally cringeworthy like the prequel haters trumpet.
But let's be rational, the romance in SW has never been a strongpoint. Han and Leia? She falls for a bad boy. But really she always questioned his loyalty and commitment. And there connection is made of nothing but sarcastic banter which she constantly finds irritating and demeaning but she falls in love with it anyway. Not exactly the recipe for a classic never ending love story.
Then there's TFA's romance: nothing but a bunch of mystery box nonsense delivered in lines plenty open to criticism. "Got a boyfriend? ...cute boyfriend?" A romance for Rey from Finn? Clearly platonic where Rey is concerned. A vague mystery box that flirts with Finn having a romantic or platonic obsession with Rey (yet only a clueless idiot would miss Rey's platonic position in the relationship by halfway through the movie). And the suggestion from the movie that Finn would be hopelessly obsessed over a platonic connection? Yeah it happens when someone has instant romantic attraction (thus the expression "Love at first sight."), but a mutually platonic connection that has Finn screaming her name at the top of his lungs and looking into the sky for divine intervention?!? Over platonic love?... and he just met this girl hours ago?!?... "The way you looked at me! Like no one had ever looked at me before!" Seriously, this kind of behavior over a platonic look given to him? (Which actually onscreen looked like an expression of amused and quizzical bewilderment from Rey). This is supposed to be as good or better than the prequels?!? I have to scoff! (Mind you this didn't come from George Lucas).
Then there's the mystery box romance nonsense of Finn and Poe. There shared exuberance for each other flirts of possible romantic connection. But you're already wondering his feelings about Rey. So is there something there or not? What is Finn's "preference"?
And now we have Rose being thrown into the mix in TLJ. For the record, personally I think they're going to string the audience along to the end of the trilogy constantly having them wondering what Finn's sexual preference is. It will bounce back and forth between Poe and Rose in what should end (by episode 9) in a cat-fight between Poe and Rose over Finn. But of course they won't have the guts to. (This romantic nonsense isn't from George Lucas either).
Yes, the "romance" in TFA comes off as rather one-sided on Finn's part. Rey seems to mostly view him as a friend. This appears to be reinforced by her giving him a peck on the forehead before she heads off to find Luke. But yeah, I do find it better than the prequels. Largely because Boyega and Ridley have actual charisma and chemistry with each other, even if the result is a one-sided crush on Finn's part.
And, um, "mystery box romance nonsense of Finn and Poe?" Dude, the idea of that relationship being romantic is nothing but the result of people reading too much into things. Will the filmmakers go that way in the next two films? Perhaps, but as of right now, it's not a romance, it's a bromance. And frankly, who cares what Finn's "preference" is? For the most part, it seems that fans just enjoy speculating for the fun of it, or in some cases because they themselves may be gay/queer/etc. and would appreciate some representation in a franchise they enjoy. Why are you so obsessed over Finn's potential sexuality, and seem to be presenting it as a negative?
Also, I have to question if you understand what the "mystery box" is if you think Finn and Poe's relationship or Finn's attraction to Rey qualify.
We also know so little about Rose that speculation at this point is pretty pointless.
~ Yeah, too bad that they mostly used the breakup plot as an excuse to retrofit Han and Leia's characters into being exactly the same characters in development and characterization that they were from midway ANH to midway TESB. (Han hasn't learned anything in 30 years of smuggling. Still hatching half-baked con schemes that make powerful enemies and almost get him killed and don't make profits! Really?!? Leia is in exactly the same role even though it doesn't make since given her high profile as one the leading senators. During the movie Hux speaks about not being fooled as to who the Resistance is and their connection to the new Republic... No 💩!!! Didn't Leia overthrow the Empire doing the same thing 30 years ago?? Isn't it the same thing only they changed their name from the Rebellion to the Resistance?? What kind of idiot couldn't figure that out?... Oh I know, preteens who watch the Disney channel all day long).
~ Well it does work. I can't argue that.
~ Rey and Finn have chemistry and charisma? First off it's still not a romance. Secondly, it's bad chemistry and charisma! (I already talked about some of the dialogue and their character profiles). It's that same cartoonish and horrible stuff you see from Hannah Montana and a dozen shows since that followed the same character archetypes with different "skins". It might be good Disney, but it's bad Star Wars.
~ It probably is people reading too much into it with Finn and Poe. But that's exactly part of the point. Actors and TPTB have fueled the flames at conventions knowing full well what fans perceptions and expectations are. But they also led the audience on with vaguery on Rey/Finn. And they seem to be doing the same at conventions with Finn/Rose. I can quote statements if necessary.
~ If all you got was that I'm obsessed about Finn's sexual preference then you missed the point. The point is that it's all bad onscreen romance if none of this leads to any actual development.
And do you know what "mystery box" is? It's mystery that never leads to any genuine development, revelation, or actual solvency. It's the carrot dangled in front of the horse that he never gets to eat... and he chases it until he drops dead. So yeah, at this point the romance does fit into mystery box, along with most plot oriented things in TFA.