Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 0:03:32 GMT
tpfkar
@miccee said: So why mis-quote it in your previous post?
There is no misquote. Just more of your black is white and call it purple sprinkled with puerile dumpster dives.Which means little. And don't forget that anything other than reality will be equally disallowed by reality. "Determinism" neither has the significance that you tendentiously apply to it, nor has it been established.
It means that the effects cannot precede the cause. Our will cannot precede the events that created our will, therefore it is not meaningfully 'free'. For free will to exist in anything beyond the strictest compatibilist sense, we would need to have chosen our will before having a will with which to choose. A logical as well as physical impossibility.
They don't, and they aren't required to. We have meaningful free will and not your demand for deranged incoherencies, so it is a non-issue.
A computer produces output which follows on in a deterministic fashion from what is input. All evidence, as well as logic, indicates that our brains do the same. But that isn't good enough for you, because you want to see yourself as the protagonist in some grand cosmic game of Cowboys and Indians. You demand a heroic and grandiose narrative where it's you and your free will taking on the universe. I diagnose a case of repressed existential angst.
There are highly contested conclusions based upon positively manically contested assumptions that in no way establish even when we make the decision, much less your ludicrously fanciful "predict our choices before we know how we're going to choose".
There are several experiments, indicating that the decision may be made up to 10 seconds prior to entering awareness.
documents.mx/documents/soon-et-al-2008-unconscious-determinants-of-free-decisions-in-the-human-brain.html