Why does God allow bad things and suffering?

Why does God allow bad things and suffering? Jun 16, 2017 0:19:43 GMT

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Post by cupcakes on Jun 16, 2017 0:19:43 GMT

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@miccee said: From above ""fairest state of affairs for society" compared to the actual quote: "And if society wants the fairest possible state of affairs, that would mean no humans and no society." Those are not identical and have different meanings, therefore it is misquoted.

Sure, you're insane.

It means that the effects cannot precede the cause. Our will cannot precede the events that created our will, therefore it is not meaningfully 'free'. For free will to exist in anything beyond the strictest compatibilist sense, we would need to have chosen our will before having a will with which to choose. A logical as well as physical impossibility.

They don't. The fact that everything happened because of reasons has no consequential impact on free will. Our decision-making and choices are components and instruments in those events. Absolutely meaningful free will. Even you ascribe significance to your choosing to do certain things and not others before you careen back off the cuckoo cliff of working extra hard because nothing tried nor done can possibly make any difference whatsoever to the sacred scrolls.

A computer produces output which follows on in a deterministic fashion from what is input. All evidence, as well as logic, indicates that our brains do the same. But that isn't good enough for you, because you want to see yourself as the protagonist in some grand cosmic game of Cowboys and Indians. You demand a heroic and grandiose narrative where it's you and your free will taking on the universe. I diagnose a case of repressed existential angst.

A computer is a glorified clockwork piece that we know how it works to beyond the atomic level and we have absolutely no reason to think has any consciousness or what we mean by decision-making as occurs in humans. I deal with what we have. I don't try to magnify and distort and overstate in order to accomplish a fervently desired mission of the macabre. That's all you in your wild-eyed zealotry. And you couldn't diagnose your ass, that is what's going on in your own head, much less what's going on with other people.

There are several experiments, indicating that the decision may be made up to 10 seconds prior to entering awareness.
documents.mx/documents/soon-et-al-2008-unconscious-determinants-of-free-decisions-in-the-human-brain.html

All with both assumptions and conclusions and even basic logic highly contested. Just not by the religious of mission.

And if society wants the fairest possible state of affairs, that would mean no humans and no society.