Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jun 22, 2017 7:43:01 GMT
I remember first seeing this and the ‘gross’ parts certainly standing out. The nose-biting especially. I’m not sure if we’ll get another Batman movie as ‘full-on’ as this one was (at least not for a while).
The Penguin stuff in the movie didn’t interest me as much, and I found the people of Gotham City to be super annoying in their ‘mob mentality’ (ie. their reactions to The Penguin going from “Ew!” to “We LOVE The Penguin!” to “We HATE The Penguin!” so fast – they were almost as bad with The Joker in the first movie). The most enjoyable I found Penguin to be was when he was interacting with Catwoman (how they threatened each other’s beloved pets to working with each other to turning on each other). I liked how Catwoman still had ‘humanity’ in her, as shown with her reaction to Penguin killing the Ice Princess.
I did love the fact that Batman was pretty merciless with the bad guys in this movie (like setting that one guy on fire with the Batmobile). Christopher Walken was an interesting bad guy. I know some people wondered what was the point of giving him that ‘human’ moment towards the end with him giving himself over to The Penguin to save his son – but I think that was the whole point. He was a horrible human being...but he did care for his son. Still, I’m glad he got what was coming to him.
For me, this movie is all about Michelle Pfeiffer as Selina Kyle/Catwoman. I think Michael Keaton’s good as Bruce/Batman (he certainly has chemistry with Pfeiffer), and there’ll likely never be an interpretation of The Penguin quite as grotesque as Danny DeVito’s portrayal, but the main enjoyment I get from this movie is watching Selina Kyle transform into Catwoman.
I know some people didn’t like the fact that this interpretation of Selina Kyle/Catwoman seemed ‘deranged/mad’, but I think it was just Burton’s own unique spin on the character and it worked for his movie. I don’t think it’d work in some other version, though.
Everything about her portrayal in the movie is memorable, from how she starts off in the film (I actually felt really bad for her – even before she was thrown out a window) to how she develops as a character, finding confidence/strength and holding her own against the male characters (though I felt sorry for her again when Penguin hooked an umbrella around her neck and sent her into the sky), to the end when she takes out her would-be murderer and proves she *does* in fact have nine lives, rising into frame to let the audience know she’s still out there.
I never realized the ‘cat’s eye mask’ shadow/lighting that was a nod to the comics character when I first watched.
I really liked how they played the Catwoman/Batman ‘relationship’. I think they did a good job of walking that line between them wanting to be with each other and at the same time being ‘enemies’. I liked their complexity.
It was interesting reading about all the work she put into learning to use the whip, and I also read about her having ‘had to put a live bird in her mouth. They had bird puppets on set, but Pfeiffer thought they all looked too fake.’ in the trivia section for the movie on IMDB. The fact that they achieved this (without CGI) is quite impressive. Pfeiffer was ferocious in this role. When she’s not in costume and you see her wonderful hair – it’s like a lion’s mane almost. Then at the end, with bits of it sticking out – she was certainly a force to be reckoned with. I love how she went into that ‘little girl’s voice’ for a part of her rhyming bit when she’s cracking the whip and coming towards Schreck as he shoots her. She was so unnerving. For me, she *made* this movie what it is (though the other parts weren’t too bad either).
The Penguin stuff in the movie didn’t interest me as much, and I found the people of Gotham City to be super annoying in their ‘mob mentality’ (ie. their reactions to The Penguin going from “Ew!” to “We LOVE The Penguin!” to “We HATE The Penguin!” so fast – they were almost as bad with The Joker in the first movie). The most enjoyable I found Penguin to be was when he was interacting with Catwoman (how they threatened each other’s beloved pets to working with each other to turning on each other). I liked how Catwoman still had ‘humanity’ in her, as shown with her reaction to Penguin killing the Ice Princess.
I did love the fact that Batman was pretty merciless with the bad guys in this movie (like setting that one guy on fire with the Batmobile). Christopher Walken was an interesting bad guy. I know some people wondered what was the point of giving him that ‘human’ moment towards the end with him giving himself over to The Penguin to save his son – but I think that was the whole point. He was a horrible human being...but he did care for his son. Still, I’m glad he got what was coming to him.
For me, this movie is all about Michelle Pfeiffer as Selina Kyle/Catwoman. I think Michael Keaton’s good as Bruce/Batman (he certainly has chemistry with Pfeiffer), and there’ll likely never be an interpretation of The Penguin quite as grotesque as Danny DeVito’s portrayal, but the main enjoyment I get from this movie is watching Selina Kyle transform into Catwoman.
I know some people didn’t like the fact that this interpretation of Selina Kyle/Catwoman seemed ‘deranged/mad’, but I think it was just Burton’s own unique spin on the character and it worked for his movie. I don’t think it’d work in some other version, though.
Everything about her portrayal in the movie is memorable, from how she starts off in the film (I actually felt really bad for her – even before she was thrown out a window) to how she develops as a character, finding confidence/strength and holding her own against the male characters (though I felt sorry for her again when Penguin hooked an umbrella around her neck and sent her into the sky), to the end when she takes out her would-be murderer and proves she *does* in fact have nine lives, rising into frame to let the audience know she’s still out there.
I never realized the ‘cat’s eye mask’ shadow/lighting that was a nod to the comics character when I first watched.
I really liked how they played the Catwoman/Batman ‘relationship’. I think they did a good job of walking that line between them wanting to be with each other and at the same time being ‘enemies’. I liked their complexity.
It was interesting reading about all the work she put into learning to use the whip, and I also read about her having ‘had to put a live bird in her mouth. They had bird puppets on set, but Pfeiffer thought they all looked too fake.’ in the trivia section for the movie on IMDB. The fact that they achieved this (without CGI) is quite impressive. Pfeiffer was ferocious in this role. When she’s not in costume and you see her wonderful hair – it’s like a lion’s mane almost. Then at the end, with bits of it sticking out – she was certainly a force to be reckoned with. I love how she went into that ‘little girl’s voice’ for a part of her rhyming bit when she’s cracking the whip and coming towards Schreck as he shoots her. She was so unnerving. For me, she *made* this movie what it is (though the other parts weren’t too bad either).