Jesus and free will

Jesus and free will Jun 28, 2017 19:16:45 GMT The Lost One and kls like this

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Post by gadreel on Jun 28, 2017 19:16:45 GMT

Jun 28, 2017 19:11:52 GMT The Lost One said:

Jun 28, 2017 19:00:09 GMT gadreel said:

I would go with the first, Jesus is clearly saying he is capable of doing it, but then questions how would the scriptures be fulfilled. At the end of the day he is saying he would prefer to fulfill the scripture.

To be fair I am not seeing the difference in your two stances, he could have done it and events would have played out differently, but he decided not to so because the fulfillment of scripture was more important to him. I guess you could say that he was therefore always locked into not doing it as he was designed (for lack of a better word ) to fulfill scripture and so would never have done it.

Stance 1: Jesus could choose to get help from God the Father. If he did, events would have turned out differently (the future is not set)

Stance 2: Although Jesus has the ability to get help from God the Father, he can't actually utilise it as that is not how things are ordained (the future is set)

Another way to look at is in Stance 2, Jesus could ask for help but he never would do so. Therefore for all intents and purposes, he can't ask for help.

OK so in that case I kind of err into stance 2, Jesus could do it, but to be who he really is and stay true to himself, he will not.