Jesus and free will

Jesus and free will Jul 2, 2017 19:09:56 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 19:09:56 GMT

Jul 2, 2017 3:52:32 GMT cupcakes said:

Semantics, swiftie. You're asking me to prove we don't have things chosen for us. You've asserted that free will is an illusion. The biggest actual evidence we have is what we experience in our heads, in fact everything else is based upon it. It's the starting point, and your grim amateur hour stuff hasn't even given the idea pause. Seriously, you think a bit like a child, albeit a goth one.

I'm asking you to explain why what I've proposed as the most parsimonious (Occam's Razor) explanation for our decisions is not adequate to explain our decision making. And I haven't stated that we have things chosen for us; because we do make choices. It's just that the choices we make are the only ones that we can make.

And it's amusing that you believe that I think like a child, given that the thousands of words that you have dedicated in defence of free will can be synopsised as "I wan' it. I WAN' IT. I WAAAN' ITTTT!!!!"

Sure it is, Saordh. Free will is the baseline. We live it and experience it. Two mentally stunted faceplants with fallacies in one post.

It's only the baseline in the same way that God is the baseline. The fact that it is something popularly believed in does not make it the default belief.

Nor does it allow you to blink yourself into Tinkerbell or any number of other bumbling irrelevancies. You go on wondering if there's magic, maybe keep praying to Fate & Oblivion enough and you and Erj will get answers. Myself I'm confident it's all in our own (some of them quite gruesomely disturbed) thinking heads.

But if your will is formed of thoughts and your thoughts precede your will, then how can your will be free from determinism?

I don't care about your misuse of whatever definitions you want to throw out in lieu of an ability to articulate. I haven't changed my position one whit, in fact the one who's changed seems to have taken up the Irish pedo's mantle with puerile "concession of defeat" patheticness and positively comical misapplications of fallacies, and just basic reasoning.

I think that you don't know what your position is. When you describe what free will is, it's virtually identical to so-called 'compatibilist free will'. Then you say that isn't what you mean and that you believe in indeterministic free will even though we do not choose our own nature and preferences.