Jesus and free will

Jesus and free will Jul 2, 2017 19:22:23 GMT

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Post by cupcakes on Jul 2, 2017 19:22:23 GMT

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@miccee said:

I'm asking you to explain why what I've proposed as the most parsimonious (Occam's Razor) explanation for our decisions is not adequate to explain our decision making.

Because "it's an illusion" is no explanation at all. Illusions fool intelligent agents, they don't explain them.

And I haven't stated that we have things chosen for us; because we do make choices. It's just that the choices we make are the only ones that we can make.

You can't say we make choices but it's all just an illusion. You're just redefining words to suit your morbid passion.

And it's amusing that you believe that I think like a child, given that the thousands of words that you have dedicated in defence of free will can be synopsised as "I wan' it. I WAN' IT. I WAAAN' ITTTT!!!!"

I'll just chuckle at your further ongoing ironic intensity.

It's only the baseline in the same way that God is the baseline. The fact that it is something popularly believed in does not make it the default belief.

God was not a baseline; gods are what people made up as explanation. Free will is the existing thing we experience that you're making up an explanation for, a magical illusion. I'm happy to wait for us to break it down as we're able, as much as we're able. But then I don't fervently need a specific outcome.

I just like things to make sense.

But if your will is formed of thoughts and your thoughts precede your will, then how can your will be free from determinism?

As you often demonstrate, thoughts can be pure gibberish as well.

I think that you don't know what your position is.

I think that much like Ada anything convenient to you is what you both believe and freely pose.

When you describe what free will is, it's virtually identical to so-called 'compatibilist free will'. Then you say that isn't what you mean and that you believe in indeterministic free will even though we do not choose our own nature and preferences.

You're a liar.

And if society wants the fairest possible state of affairs, that would mean no humans and no society.