Jesus and free will

Jesus and free will Jul 6, 2017 19:32:42 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 19:32:42 GMT

Jul 2, 2017 19:22:23 GMT cupcakes said:

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@miccee said:

I'm asking you to explain why what I've proposed as the most parsimonious (Occam's Razor) explanation for our decisions is not adequate to explain our decision making.

Because "it's an illusion" is no explanation at all. Illusions fool intelligent agents, they don't explain them.

The explanation is that we aren't able to observe the processes that lead up to a decision, and the chain of causality becomes increasingly opaque to us the further back into the past we look. When we drop a ceramic mug on to a hard tiled surface, we know that it is going to break into pieces. The fact that we weren't able to predict before hand what the shape and size of the broken pieces would be is not evidence that the breaking of the cup was a random event. And if the broken pieces could be glued back together, they would be able to be made to form the shape of the cup that was dropped; but not a feather boa or a Boeing 747. With decisions, it works the same way. Just because we have incomplete information to be able to predict how someone will decide, it does not mean that the decision was magic, or that it was anything more than the product of all the inputs that went into the decision.

You can't say we make choices but it's all just an illusion. You're just redefining words to suit your morbid passion.

Our brain makes choices, but there is only one choice at any specific juncture that it is able to make. That doesn't change the fact that the brain does produce the decision, but it does mean that "free will" is ruled out.

God was not a baseline; gods are what people made up as explanation. Free will is the existing thing we experience that you're making up an explanation for, a magical illusion. I'm happy to wait for us to break it down as we're able, as much as we're able. But then I don't fervently need a specific outcome. I just like things to make sense.

"Free will" is what humans have made up as an explanation for our conscious decision making capacity. We aren't "experiencing free will", we are only experiencing the processes whereby our brain makes a decision. Because of ignorance and a desire to feel in control, most people interpret conscious decision making as the exercise of "free will". You're no more experiencing free will than a Christian is experiencing God's love. Both claims have equal evidence, except in the case of free will, the claim is logically disproven.

I think that much like Ada anything convenient to you is what you both believe and freely pose.

You're a liar.

Then how about you cite a philosopher who shares exactly the same view of free will that you have. Post the quote and link here, and then we will both know what your position is and how that aligns with compatibilism or libertarianism.