Jesus and free will

Jesus and free will Jul 6, 2017 20:12:24 GMT

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Post by cupcakes on Jul 6, 2017 20:12:24 GMT

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@miccee said:

The explanation is that we aren't able to observe the processes that lead up to a decision, and the chain of causality becomes increasingly opaque to us the further back into the past we look. When we drop a ceramic mug on to a hard tiled surface, we know that it is going to break into pieces. The fact that we weren't able to predict before hand what the shape and size of the broken pieces would be is not evidence that the breaking of the cup was a random event. And if the broken pieces could be glued back together, they would be able to be made to form the shape of the cup that was dropped; but not a feather boa or a Boeing 747. With decisions, it works the same way. Just because we have incomplete information to be able to predict how someone will decide, it does not mean that the decision was magic, or that it was anything more than the product of all the inputs that went into the decision.

Such a massive non sequitur of nothing, meaning nothing. But you keep working with random and magic all you like.

Also, be an amigo and maybe share some of those psychotropics.

Our brain makes choices, but there is only one choice at any specific juncture that it is able to make. That doesn't change the fact that the brain does produce the decision, but it does mean that "free will" is ruled out.

Means nothing of the sort, regardless of your slanted definitions and devotion to incoherencies.

"Free will" is what humans have made up as an explanation for our conscious decision making capacity. We aren't "experiencing free will", we are only experiencing the processes whereby our brain makes a decision. Because of ignorance and a desire to feel in control, most people interpret conscious decision making as the exercise of "free will". You're no more experiencing free will than a Christian is experiencing God's love. Both claims have equal evidence, except in the case of free will, the claim is logically disproven.

Some ponder over implications, while others readily assert inanities for morbid motive, buttressed by ludicrous exaggeration, casual misrepresentation and positively silly black-is-white redefinition. All for their love of religiosity, albeit a direct worship of death for all for the paradise of Nihility rather than Yahweh. We all have the shared experiences of agency and making choices, and making things go differently according to our wants and actions. Your simply frightfully poor comparison of that with "God" just again demonstrates the absurdities that some go for cause. God is in fact something not seen nor directly experienced, much like the "just an illusion assertion", to try to explain what is seen as something else - be it the sun rising/setting, life, death complexities, making choices, etc.

"Free will" is what we live and experience every minute of every day of our lives. "It's an illusion" the neutered handwave that could be used on anything, simply "mysterious ways" again.

Then how about you cite a philosopher who shares exactly the same view of free will that you have. Post the quote and link here, and then we will both know what your position is and how that aligns with compatibilism or libertarianism.

Why would I want to do that? In any case it would have nothing to do with the free lying you engage in and did again engage in, in the paragraph it answered.

And they shouldn't be expected to pay the price of everyone else's joy. Especially if nobody would be deprived of that joy in a universe with no sentient life.