Post by judgejosephdredd on Jul 25, 2017 4:54:25 GMT
1. WW does a better job than SMH (and every other MCU movie for that matter) of balancing the lighter moments with the more serious moments. That's something MCU still hasn't figured out how to do right after 16 movies. SMH (and every other MCU movie for that matter) always crack jokes and 1-liners even in serious moments, which results in trivializing those moments.
2. Diana's motivation in WW is from believing it's her duty to end war and bring peace to Mankind. Peter's motivation for being Spider-Man in SMH isn't because he believes he has a "great responsibility" to use his powers for good (as he learned from his failure to prevent Uncle Ben's death when he could've) but simply because he's hoping to get a reply from Happy Hogan. SMH reduces Peter to being just a simple show-off. There's nothing driving Peter other than wanting to look cool and impress Tony Stark - and that's a shallow reason which betrays Spider-Man's true comic origins.
3. SMH feels more like an Iron Man movie than a Spider-Man movie. Tony Stark is in the beginning, middle, and end of the movie. Iron Man saves Spider-Man after Vulture dumps Spider-Man into the water. And it's Iron man who comes to the rescue when the ferry boat splits into 2 halves. Just too much reliance on Iron Man in SMH. WW is a self-contained story and doesn't have to rely on cameos from characters in other DCEU movies.
4. WW has many likable characters. Diana and Steve are obviously the most likable characters, but Hippolyta, Antiope, Etta Candy, Sameer, Charlie, and the Chief are all likable characters as well. Not so with SMH. Peter - he just wants to show off his powers and impress Tony Stark. Happy Hogan - he's constantly looking annoyed that his boss is making him babysit a 15-year-old kid. Flash Thompson - he's just a wanna-be bully who doesn't even look threatening enough to be a bully. Ned? Liz? Michelle "Mary Jane" Watson? None of them are likable characters. The only likable character in the whole movie was Adrian Toomes and that's because he's an ordinary husband and father who's just trying to provide for his family and got screwed over by Tony Stark's Damage Control team, which threatened to shoot him with guns.
5. WW gives us a 1st act that's like a Greek myth. We hear a mythical story about the creation of Mankind, view the beauty of Themyscira, and see the Amazons in battle. SMH's 1st act gives us 10 minutes of shaky camcorder footage (like in The Blair Witch Project and Project Almanac) followed by 10 minutes of showing Peter Parker in physics class, then having lunch with his best friend at the geeks-only table, then in debate club, etc. We already know this movie is going to be a high school comedy. There's no need to waste 10 minutes of our time showing a day in the life of Peter Parker attending high school.
6. Better action scenes in WW. WW had an epic beach battle between the Amazons (with their ancient weapons - bows and arrows and swords) vs the German soldiers (with their modern rifles). And the No Man's Land scene is the 2nd-most iconic scene in CBM history, behind only Superman's 1st public appearance in Superman: The Movie, when Superman flies up, catches Lois, and then catches the falling helicopter with 1 hand, while John Williams' classic theme (1 of the most recognized themes in movie history) is playing. SMH? The Washington Monument scene and the ferry boat scene pale in comparison to the epic Themyscira beach battle scene and the iconic No Man's Land scene.
7. In WW, we get to see the Lasso of Truth and the bullet-deflecting bracelets (2 powers integral to the Wonder Woman character) in action. In SMH, we see an AI-type suit in action (is it a Spider-Man movie or an Iron Man movie?) but no Spider-Sense (a power integral to the Spider-Man character). When Peter ditches Liz at the Homecoming Dance and puts on his Spider-Man costume and runs out of the building, he gets ambushed by 1 of the bad guys and needs to be saved by Ned. No way that ambush should've happened with Spider-Sense so definitely no Spider-Sense in SMH and MCU.
8. WW uses color as part of its storytelling better than any other superhero movie ever made.
How Wonder Woman Uses Color
9. SMH is a high school comedy movie, which is why it's struggled to keep its target audience and had nosedives at the box office in its 2nd and 3rd weekends. WW is the 1st superhero movie that has brought in young and old and male and female audiences, which is why WW has held up better than any other superhero movie in 15 years and has become the #1 movie of the summer and #2 movie of the year so far (behind only Beauty and the Beast).
1. WW does not balance its lighter and darker moments any better than the majority of the MCU mo. The MCU uses as much comedy in their films as other notable films in the realm of action-adventure do like Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Big Trouble In Little China, Predator, and Indiana Jones.
2. Peter aspired to do a lot more than impress Tony Stark in SMH, he wanted to help save those around him and help the little guy who he felt the higher-ups were ignoring.
3. Iron Man is in the SMH for like six minutes total, it is so not his movie.
4. Peter wants to do more than impress Tony Stark and join The Avengers he wants to help those around him and in his community and feels loyalty to the little guy, hence why he turns Tony's offer down in the end. Happy Hogan is supposed to come off like that, the "happy" part of his name is meant to be ironic if you've read any Iron Man stories. Flash Thompson is supposed to be an annoying jerk at Peter Parker, he doesn't have to be jacked to be a bully at school - if you go by that stereotype you really are detached from the real world. Ned does not display any unlikeable character traits, and neither does Liz really, unless you can prove otherwise - which you haven't, you just named them. I would not exactly classify Toomes as being a likeable character, he's very much the villain of the film.
5. WW and Spider-Man are two totally different characters, they're not going to tell similar stories. Greek mythology ties to Diana's origin, Spider-Man is seen at school because it further establishes his character and surrounding in the MCU - We only got a small bit of it in Civil War. If the movie is advertised as having a High School type of setting the wouldn't it be false advertisement if it was just a tiny, two minute part in the actual film? And you're seriously bullsh!tting by saying the iPhone footage was ten minutes long, try two-three at most.
6. You know what? I actually agree with you that WW had better action, but dude you are so over-selling it...They were not that good and its too soon to earn the status of being "iconic"...
7. Spidey's had AI suits before. Spider-Man's spider sense does not define his character. Spider-Man so does have his spider-sense in the MCU, the footage from Infinity War says it all.
8. WW did utilize color better, however it still relied on the studio over-used teal and orange color grading technique that's been dominant in mainstream films for going on ten years now.
9. Box office does not indicate quality, and SMH is still making profit however it is not doing titanic numbers as some other MCU related movies but its still earning enough for more installments down the road. SMH is not a high school comedy movie, its a superhero movie about a character who attends high school. Once again, humor does not make an action movie a comedy, the same way a serious moment does not make a comedy a drama.