The endless quest for higher def video
Aug 12, 2017 4:20:21 GMT
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Post by mslo79 on Aug 12, 2017 4:20:21 GMT
sdrew13163
While i basically agree with you here, at least with the way we currently view our movies/tv shows at the moment, which is on a TV, i don't see things getting all that much better for the foreseeable future.
but if it's possible... maybe they will eventually make a device that looks pretty much how we see the actual world with our eyes as i think that would be the TRUE limit even though on a TV device i don't see TV's advancing in the next 20 years (2017 to 2037) like how they have over the last 20 years (1997 vs 2017) as i would expect to see a larger gap in image quality from 1997 to 2017 than we will see from 2017 to 2037 (hopefully i am wrong but i don't think i will be(hell, even if i am wrong ill be 58 years old then and i probably won't care all that much because i would assume my eyes won't be as good as they are now
).
but i suspect this (like a viewing device that mimics how we see the world (like with clarity/sharpness and down to the exact colors etc)) won't happen in our lifetimes, and that's assuming it does happen as that might not even be possible(?). so outside of that... with the way we currently view our movies etc i basically agree with you as i think in terms of resolutions it's pretty much over after 4k as i think 4k is probably squeezing HD to it's limits. hell, even the film itself (that a movie is shot on) has a limit.
also, i suspect things might focus on making TV's more compact/reliable.
Yeah. but don't get me wrong... assuming you can see a difference (and it appears that way from what my cousin and you and others have said) 4k would be better than basic HD. but if you got to pay a premium for it (or upgrade expensive hardware) it's not worth it. plus, in my particular situation... ill be avoiding 4k for sure as the hard drive space that crap takes up is quite a bit higher than 1080p and even that is already bad enough. that's why i stick to 720p stuff with my movies in general. but i am curious... i would like to see a 720p vs 1080p scene release (of the same exact movie) on my cousins 65" 4k TV (and the like) as i figure if you can't notice the difference on there, you just won't be able to notice the difference between 720p/1080p. but like i was saying i can notice some difference between those two and the same movie on an actual bluray disc. but even that is not much.
but it's weird with that 720p/1080p thing i described above because there is a difference on video games from 720p to 1080p on my PC's 24" 1080p monitor but that same thing with movies with 720p/1080p is no difference (or very little at best). but speaking of video games... my best guess is i would not see much of a boost visually from 1080p to a 4k on a video game though.but 'maybe' if you got a 4k monitor running at 1080p vs 4k on that same monitor i would not be surprised if there is a decent difference there but i am speculating here on these 4k comments about the video games. but being i can notice 720p to 1080p on my current 1080p monitor i think it's more likely there will be a bigger difference there than with a movie.
FridayOnElmStreet
Really?
I doubt i could go back to that not only because of the image quality loss but because the lack of proper display aspect ratio on movies as it seems most VHS crop the image so it fills the entire screen instead of the widescreen aspect with the black bars which would be proper. or to translate that back into english... you don't see all of the image that you should be seeing in a movie because of that.
with that said... i do have some old VHS tapes (Speed (1994)/Mortal Kombat (1995)/Twister (1996) etc) but i never use them as, like i mentioned above, not only is it basically a crappy SD version it's that the movies are not displayed properly which makes it a showstopper for me especially given we have access to all of the current tech that we do and at a cheap enough price so it makes no sense to use VHS anymore unless it's some nostalgia thing for you. but with VHS in general at this point... the aspect thing would bother me more than the lower SD quality of VHS. but then again i should get around to playing a VHS tape on my modern TV just to see how it looks as it might actually look worse than i think it does from memory(as it's been quite a while since i last seen a VHS tape played). but if that happens, then you got crap image and cropped image which would kill some movies that rely more on visuals to sell the movie.
Nothing above 4K will probably even be noticeable to the human eye lol. They should probably stop here.
While i basically agree with you here, at least with the way we currently view our movies/tv shows at the moment, which is on a TV, i don't see things getting all that much better for the foreseeable future.
but if it's possible... maybe they will eventually make a device that looks pretty much how we see the actual world with our eyes as i think that would be the TRUE limit even though on a TV device i don't see TV's advancing in the next 20 years (2017 to 2037) like how they have over the last 20 years (1997 vs 2017) as i would expect to see a larger gap in image quality from 1997 to 2017 than we will see from 2017 to 2037 (hopefully i am wrong but i don't think i will be(hell, even if i am wrong ill be 58 years old then and i probably won't care all that much because i would assume my eyes won't be as good as they are now
).but i suspect this (like a viewing device that mimics how we see the world (like with clarity/sharpness and down to the exact colors etc)) won't happen in our lifetimes, and that's assuming it does happen as that might not even be possible(?). so outside of that... with the way we currently view our movies etc i basically agree with you as i think in terms of resolutions it's pretty much over after 4k as i think 4k is probably squeezing HD to it's limits. hell, even the film itself (that a movie is shot on) has a limit.
also, i suspect things might focus on making TV's more compact/reliable.
I don't think 4K is absolutely a necessity, but it is nice. It's not something I would buy myself, but it looks good on other people's TV's.
Yeah. but don't get me wrong... assuming you can see a difference (and it appears that way from what my cousin and you and others have said) 4k would be better than basic HD. but if you got to pay a premium for it (or upgrade expensive hardware) it's not worth it. plus, in my particular situation... ill be avoiding 4k for sure as the hard drive space that crap takes up is quite a bit higher than 1080p and even that is already bad enough. that's why i stick to 720p stuff with my movies in general. but i am curious... i would like to see a 720p vs 1080p scene release (of the same exact movie) on my cousins 65" 4k TV (and the like) as i figure if you can't notice the difference on there, you just won't be able to notice the difference between 720p/1080p. but like i was saying i can notice some difference between those two and the same movie on an actual bluray disc. but even that is not much.
but it's weird with that 720p/1080p thing i described above because there is a difference on video games from 720p to 1080p on my PC's 24" 1080p monitor but that same thing with movies with 720p/1080p is no difference (or very little at best). but speaking of video games... my best guess is i would not see much of a boost visually from 1080p to a 4k on a video game though.but 'maybe' if you got a 4k monitor running at 1080p vs 4k on that same monitor i would not be surprised if there is a decent difference there but i am speculating here on these 4k comments about the video games. but being i can notice 720p to 1080p on my current 1080p monitor i think it's more likely there will be a bigger difference there than with a movie.
FridayOnElmStreet
Hell I still use VHS.
Really?
I doubt i could go back to that not only because of the image quality loss but because the lack of proper display aspect ratio on movies as it seems most VHS crop the image so it fills the entire screen instead of the widescreen aspect with the black bars which would be proper. or to translate that back into english... you don't see all of the image that you should be seeing in a movie because of that.
with that said... i do have some old VHS tapes (Speed (1994)/Mortal Kombat (1995)/Twister (1996) etc) but i never use them as, like i mentioned above, not only is it basically a crappy SD version it's that the movies are not displayed properly which makes it a showstopper for me especially given we have access to all of the current tech that we do and at a cheap enough price so it makes no sense to use VHS anymore unless it's some nostalgia thing for you. but with VHS in general at this point... the aspect thing would bother me more than the lower SD quality of VHS. but then again i should get around to playing a VHS tape on my modern TV just to see how it looks as it might actually look worse than i think it does from memory(as it's been quite a while since i last seen a VHS tape played). but if that happens, then you got crap image and cropped image which would kill some movies that rely more on visuals to sell the movie.