Why Is Anybody Convinced There Is A God?

   What a clear picture of your fundamental mistake those few words present.

   Consider this question, "Does calculus exist?"  Although it certainly exists it is not a "concrete" object.  A dog can see a brick of concrete and understand it.  He might jump over it if it is in his way or run away if it appears it might fall on him.  A dog can see his food dish and understand it.  He might wait near it till you put some food in it or otherwise draw your attention to the fact it is empty.  A dog cannot see calculus.  He only sees paper with markings on it.  He has no idea what he should do in regard to the markings on the paper or what value or threat they might have.  If dogs could talk they would say that calculus does not exist.  Perhaps surprisingly, some humans think calculus does not have any value.

   Calculus is an abstract thing.  It certainly exists but only in the abstract.  The god of most modern religions is also an abstract thing.  It certainly exists, but you are no more aware of it than a dog is of calculus.  You keep claiming we have given you no proof, and it does appear we are no more likely to prove to you a god exists than prove to a dog calculus exists.

   The intelligent designer is an issue in science quite different from the god in religion.  Your conflation of the two concepts is extremely distracting.  It drives most discussion off any point.   Most people have no interest at all in "proving" the god of any religion, at least not the ones well trained in the religion.  Notice gadreel does not care to prove anything.  Notice the Bible says, "an evil and adulterous generation demands a sign."  The intelligent designer is quite different because it is significantly more a matter of concrete reality, tangible things.  Although we can't see it, we can see what it does (much more obviously than the god in religion).  We cannot see the wind but we can see what it does.  The wind then is more immediately a "concrete" thing (and air is only compressible so far) than calculus.  The intelligent designer is more immediately a concrete thing and that sort of issue in science.

   You have an obvious anxiety about abstract truths.  You appear to believe that knowing water is wet (and such obvious things) is the only truth worth examining.  Others on this board have the same anxiety.  Let's not count Vegas in that, I doubt he's had much anxiety about anything.  There is however that fear out there that we must keep things on a pedestrian level lest things get totally out of control.  That is a mistake and the real problem though.  You're denying us the benefits of religion like calculus because you don't understand religion.  In the case of the intelligent designer you're denying us the benefits of science because you don't understand that either.