Jesus and free will

Jesus and free will Aug 30, 2017 0:53:31 GMT

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Post by cupcakes on Aug 30, 2017 0:53:31 GMT

Aug 30, 2017 0:35:47 GMT @miccee said:

Aug 9, 2017 21:02:32 GMT cupcakes said:

^tpfkar

Don't care about what you think sounds like what politically charged definition you attempt to misuse. As here, when you say "hard determinism" in one breath, and then follow up with the more vague "indeterministic".
I haven't asserted anything about free will and determinism. Although I have pointed out that it is a trivial truth that everything has causes.

I don't know what "plain ordinary" will is, other than you trying to fabricate significance out of nothing with leading / misleading adjectives.

"Free will" is notation for what we exercise and experience constantly. We make choices and act according to our traits and tastes.

I'm not interested in nor looking for a philosopher of any kind to have views that align with mine.

You most certainly have vehemently asserted that you do not believe that our 'will' is fully determined. Previously you have denounced the ideas of compatibilist philosophers such as Daniel Dennett (saying that those ideas reduce us to 'clocks', 'adding machines', 'glorified dippy birds' etc. But I can't see what the difference is between what you're saying now and what the compatibilists espouse. Could you enlighten me as to the difference?

"Plain ordinary will" would just be will that is not free, but which is constrained by causality and/or randomness. I wouldn't consider 'compatibilist free will' to be free except in a very narrow sense.

And you're not looking for a philosopher who has views similar to yours, because you don't wish to test whether your beliefs seem sensible or coherent to others. Much like how theists will seek an echo chamber in order to avoid testing their faith.

I said I don't know, depends on what is "determinism" and more, don't know what matters. Of course everything has causes. Of course you're still thoroughly confused in your morbid theistic goals. I've of course never did any of what you've just outright lied-posted about "Dennet" of "compatibilists", or whatever else you're trying to emotionally slant in your anti-humanity humancidal goals.

All there is is the free will of us making choices based on what we are. "Plain ordinary will" is more inane morbid goop you try to leverage for morbid political purpose.

And I don't care what the lugubrious moaner asserts again, out of his arse, just because he wants to as he squeals for universal death for all sentient life. Making choices based on what we are is what is and is the only free will that makes sense. Sorry that doesn't line up with your particular disease.

And they shouldn't be expected to pay the price of everyone else's joy. Especially if nobody would be deprived of that joy in a universe with no sentient life.