Jesus and free will

Jesus and free will Sept 8, 2017 23:48:11 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 23:48:11 GMT

Sept 7, 2017 15:40:16 GMT cupcakes said:

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Sept 7, 2017 15:26:49 GMT @miccee said:

The child would not have to slave away for pennies an hour making cheap clothes if the child had not been born in the first place. And if life itself was not a burdensome and onerous millstone around one's neck, it would not be perceived as necessary to exploit the poor Bangladeshi sweatshop workers in order to make life a little less burdensome for the privileged.

So make life better for them. Still nothing attached to child-rearing inherently.

Morally I would be fine with post-birth abortions, but I realise that this would probably be too radical to ever be implemented.

Obviously not a straight-forward task that can be accomplished before anyone else has to experience more suffering. There should be a guarantee of no non-trivial suffering before any more lives are introduced. Which is impossible because, even if things had somehow gotten rectified in the present time so that nobody had to suffer, it would be impossible to guarantee that such a utopian situation could not be destabilised or destroyed. And it is related to child rearing (or child birthing, more precisely), because the person could not experience suffering were they never to have been born.

So we fix the unfair distribution and suffering. Still nothing attached to child-rearing inherently. Except via zealotry and cognitive inability in some combination.

Can't really be done within the limits of human nature. Communism was an attempt to do this, and most would agree that the cure ended up being worse than the disease. Meanwhile, in capitalist societies, there are people who have more money than they and their families could use in 500 years still trying to prise away (metaphorically) a crust of stale bread out of the mouth of a starving child because it's considered to be 'unfair' for anyone to be allowed to consume any resources that they or their parents aren't thought to have sufficiently earned, or the parents' don't have a respectable or hard enough job to deserve to be able to feed themselves and their children. Which all illustrates that life is mostly about cravings which can never be completely satisfied, no matter how proficient one becomes at 'the game'.