Jesus and free will

Jesus and free will Sept 12, 2017 22:30:37 GMT

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Post by cupcakes on Sept 12, 2017 22:30:37 GMT

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Sept 12, 2017 21:49:49 GMT @miccee said:

Sept 9, 2017 0:35:52 GMT cupcakes said:

^tpfka

Babbled out of-the-ass blather, much like "Organic Robot Paradigm".

I thought you were into dudes? Good to know where you're getting your scientific and political views from though.

As you repeatedly demonstrate, people can and do subscribe to any manner of self-contradictory, dishonest, and emotion-fed views.

Such as the absurd idea that choice is absolutely free from causality, despite the fact that it is constrained by preferences, disposition, bias and circumstances.

Sure, but since "everything has causes", your line is just more of your nonsensical arse-pulling.

As related many times before, because of the patent uncertainty of whether the illness or the person's actual desires are speaking. The vast majority are some kind of stress-induced and/or treatable conditions in which they need help, and certainly not partisan malice in the guise of "freedom" for their pathology.

And of course, the "Original Sin" of harming nonexistent kids by having them does not exist. But the religious do still push that kind of inanity.

As related many times, mental illness is not a gremlin or evil homunculus that creeps into someone's head whilst they are sleeping. It doesn't have its own goals and volition, it describes a function of their brain. The individual's self is nothing more than their brain and the function of their brain; much as the idea of mind/spirit duality has a lot of emotional resonance with you. If the patient repeatedly and unwaveringly holds to the view that they would prefer death, then this is their preference.

And if the Christian God would be worthy of criticism by forcing sentient beings to live in a harmful and dangerous world, then logically that must also apply to those who know of the harms and dangers, yet still see fit to subject a new life to those risks.

Sure you've repeat-chanted, but you're an admitted partisan fed by patent inanity who puts his morbid goals ahead of truth. People often get into temporary and/or treatable states where they say and do things that they subsequently highly regret. I know, I know, if in their manias they kill themselves, they can't regret.

If a physically sound patient can't get the trivially accomplished once actually decided deed done without involving other people, then nobody has any business sending them to their doom.

The Christian God is worthy of criticism for purposely causing harm. If he's giving a shot at this blast and it's the best he can manage, and he's actually a sweetheart without all of the malice in the Bible, I'll personally buy him all the beer he can knock back. And nobody who is not deranged or making narcissistic scenes is "forced", regardless if you personally don't have the gonads.

No, you have repeatedly cited your war against religion as opposed to honest inquiry/appraisal as your motivation.

In what you pretend, you'd have to have been made at the start to be some combination fundamentally dishonest with the bizarre slants/ emotional non sequiturs, and cognitively impaired enough to not be able to grok that believing no alteration is possible yet trying furiously to make things "better". For the undertakers and sociopaths, maybe.

The truth and nature of reality has no concern for whether or not it can be used to bolster a particular agenda. And it is not possible to choose not to choose. Not knowing the outcome of a particular action forces an actor to behave as though they do have free will, even whilst knowing that there is no such thing.

And yet you keep citing it as your argument. And it is possible to hold deranged contradictory views, or at least you're able to post them as your own. Do you go debate with waterfalls? You supposedly can't even recognize that by your own beliefs you are fated by the Billiard Revelation (wait, who broke?) to feel urgency over things you have absolutely no ability to personally effect. If you found you an opium den, or if you lay down in front of a train, or if you managed to get control of a chemical weapons plant you'd still make absolutely no alteration to your god of preset Fate. Sad broken stuff.

And if society wants the fairest possible state of affairs, that would mean no humans and no society.